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  1. Yes, right puntualization: the Sicilian Neolithic...

    Yes, right puntualization: the Sicilian Neolithic was peloponnesian Neolithic-like. By the start of the bronze age we have some beaker associated sample, but still very AN-like.
    Then by the middle...
  2. As I said somewhere else, my bet is that southern...

    As I said somewhere else, my bet is that southern italic tribes could plot near the Crete Armenoi sample, due to the minoan-like substratum in southern Italy (while in northern italy the calcholithic...
  3. In another post I hypothized that the second wave...

    In another post I hypothized that the second wave of proto-italics (assuming there actually were two wave of italic speaking people in the paeninsula) could have been a little bit more balkan shifted...
  4. That's for sure, even if I think north western...

    That's for sure, even if I think north western Tuscany could be an exception.

    Anyway, I just wanted to point out that a strong continuity in the area since the Iron Age is not surprising at all....
  5. That's a correct point, language doesn't...

    That's a correct point, language doesn't necessarily prove a comman ancestry, yet a continuity in language could hint to a demographic continuity since its adoption. Regarding wich is more similar to...
  6. Correct, but in Nortwestern Tuscany, from...

    Correct, but in Nortwestern Tuscany, from Florence to Pisa, the merely demographic impact of latinization was probably pretty important: all of most important cities in the area (wich today is the...
  7. If I understood correctly she's from north...

    If I understood correctly she's from north western Tuscany, so70% Latin - like makes perfect sense.

    The area was between the etruscan and ligurian world and was later heavily colonized by Romans,...
  8. The italian cline was already there during the...

    The italian cline was already there during the Iron Age (though it could have been slightly augmented by later movements from Anatolia.

    Surely there were not anatolian soldiers in Italy, since...
  9. I think that the shown average of Mycenaeans...

    I think that the shown average of Mycenaeans (Greece_LBA) could be a bit deceptive, since if I'm not mistaken is composed with some sample which are clearly Minoan-like as well (one at least, if I...
  10. My idea is similar, even if I tend to think that...

    My idea is similar, even if I tend to think that by the Iron age the minoan-like substratum could have already been absorbed by indoeuropean new comers.

    My guess is the following: by in the...
  11. Just a random thouth on the C6 cluster: If we...

    Just a random thouth on the C6 cluster: If we assume (and I think it makes sense) that C6 represents the union between southern italics (osci, samniti etc.) + greeks from Magna Graecia, then it...
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    Ok, I just skimmed the surface of the paper and I...

    Ok, I just skimmed the surface of the paper and I didn't get that the IA_French like ancestry is lower were there is more celtic ancestry, so they're clearly not collerated with each other. Thanks...
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    They also said that a lot of local celtic people...

    They also said that a lot of local celtic people probably moved to the west and mixed back in later, after the saxon had already settled in. So, maybe part of the later French-like influence is due...
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    So, if I understood correctly the last bolded...

    So, if I understood correctly the last bolded comment, the increase in the France Iron Age like ancestry in the post migration era could also be due (at least partially) to a local celtic resurgence,...
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    The area on the map seems more centered around...

    The area on the map seems more centered around Benevento than Salerno.
    The difference is indeed quite strange and interesting, since Napoli and Salerno are very close to each other and both placed...
  16. That would make southern italic tribes similar to...

    That would make southern italic tribes similar to the Crete Armenoi sample. A similar scenario makes sense, imho (minoan-like substratum+more steppe ancestry than bronze age aegean populations)....
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    Yes, they played a nice joke on us

    Yes, they played a nice joke on us
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    https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/17/dna-study-sho...

    https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/17/dna-study-shows-when-ancient-greeks-colonized-italy/

    Unfortunately no link to the study itself
  19. I pretty much agree with this last point, that's...

    I pretty much agree with this last point, that's why we should always confront ourselves with archeological and historical data to back up any hypothesis and that's also what makes me more likely...
  20. Assuming that every individual found in a slave...

    Assuming that every individual found in a slave cemetry of a port city left a lasting genetic impact is pretty bold; even more so if we then postulate an unproven migration from central Europe during...
  21. I wasn't very clear, sorry. I meant that some...

    I wasn't very clear, sorry. I meant that some mycenean were more anatolian shifted, others were a bit more levant_PPN admixed, so there was some variation.
  22. That make sense but we should keep in mind that...

    That make sense but we should keep in mind that some mycenaeans already had some sort of anatolian bronze age admixture, so it's difficult to say if the latter came to Italy with imperial "romans"...
  23. yes, you're right. Anyway, the perplexity still...

    yes, you're right. Anyway, the perplexity still stands: a migration of women seems unlikely.
  24. Other studies has not only found continuity in...

    Other studies has not only found continuity in sicilina yDNA lineage, but in mtDNA as well and even from more ancient time.

    The Sarno at al study I mentioned above...
  25. Well, regarding greeks and phoenicians, it's not...

    Well, regarding greeks and phoenicians, it's not a surprise they didn't leave a great mithocondrial legacy: the greek colonization was heavily male mediated, while the phoenician presence not only...
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