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    @Salento, They're hung up on this, I take it?...

    @Salento,

    They're hung up on this, I take it?
    https://i.imgur.com/vhdmetx.png
    https://i.imgur.com/GW5fwI5.png

    What is the mystery here? I don't even want to know what fantastical theories...
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    Let me guess...he's too "southern" for...

    Let me guess...he's too "southern" for them?:useless:

    He's a member of a Latin tribe. Some of them were a bit more Southern already.

    Big Whoops.

    The facts are what they are people; sane...
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    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list:...

    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list: Just look at that pathetic number. :(


    57. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.63 - R850 - (Click for more info)
    Top 94% match vs all users +...
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    This is completely illogical. The only...

    This is completely illogical.

    The only evidence that MATTERS about an ancient group's genetics is the genetic evidence from THAT GROUP. In this case it's the genomes of the actual ETRUSCANS. We...
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    He looks like a less good looking version of Gino...

    He looks like a less good looking version of Gino D'Accampo, accomplished and sexy chef from Napoli who is a BIG hit in Britain, especially with the ladies. :)
    ...
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    O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money...

    O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money back. :)

    My husband gets this:
    3. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 10.3 - R850 - (Click for more info)
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    And I get...
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    Now, would there have been a problem with Italics...

    Now, would there have been a problem with Italics admixing with Greeks? I highly doubt it. They had too many things in common and the Romans admired them too much. Plus, it might have been going on...
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    No one with an IQ over 80. First of all, you have...

    No one with an IQ over 80. First of all, you have to define what you mean by the Fertile Crescent.

    Here it is:
    https://bioblogyscience.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/9220557_orig.jpg

    Now, anyone...
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    Like I said, if people knew anything about...

    Like I said, if people knew anything about Northern Italian history, maybe they would have figured out he was just one of those Northern Italians with more Gallic ancestry. Still, by his estimation,...
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    Ailchu, I don't want to take the thread off-topic...

    Ailchu, I don't want to take the thread off-topic again, so I'll be brief. Yes, there is a distressing gap in the data in this paper of virtually the entire Bronze Age, but we know there were...
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    If I bought the complete validity of anything...

    If I bought the complete validity of anything based on Eurogenes work, I might say he was a partial or complete descendant of Gallic tribesmen who came into Northern Italy and then moved to Rome for...
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    It wasn't a Near Eastern Tail, it was called a...

    It wasn't a Near Eastern Tail, it was called a "Levant Tail". I will be surprised if there was a lot of it in Southern Italy during the first Millennium BC, although there may have been some. What...
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    It's because he wants that to be out in the...

    It's because he wants that to be out in the public domain, as it aids in his Storm Front like endeavor to trash Italians, and make them look as untermenschen as he possibly can, and any additional...
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    Blevins, you know all this, surely? Where did...

    Blevins, you know all this, surely? Where did agriculture originate? How about metallurgy? It was in the Near East and some of it was developed by EEF like people in the Balkans. How about irrigation...
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    Is this the Italian Nordicist perspective? I...

    Is this the Italian Nordicist perspective?

    I haven't looked at each of those samples individually yet, but the majority of the Iron Age/Republican Rome Era samples are at least one third...
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    I have news for Simon W... Republican Era...

    I have news for Simon W...

    Republican Era Romans were a mix of Spanish and Greek? Seriously? That would be MODERN northern Spanish and MODERN mainland Greek the paper was showing. We have to look...
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    The garbage that some people are posting is...

    The garbage that some people are posting is literally insane. Somebody could look at these results and say Etruscans came to Italy from AFRICA???? And Polako leaves posts like that there but deletes...
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    This is where you are going wrong. The "Cyprus"...

    This is where you are going wrong. The "Cyprus" part is an AVERAGE. Plus, they're using modern Cypriots.

    Even they themselves state that it's an average, and it doesn't mean that there was this...
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    I don't think they're necessarily biased. That...

    I don't think they're necessarily biased. That will and is coming from the amateur community. :) I just don't think they thought things through, and they have a high schoolers understanding of Roman...
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    Yes, and as a lot of other mixtures. He was a...

    Yes, and as a lot of other mixtures.

    He was a combination of IBS and TSI, using the 1000 genomes that the authors of that paper used as a reference.

    So?

    Sorry, you've lost me a bit. How do...
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    Some sense at last.

    Some sense at last.
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    Nothing would make me become a vegetarian. :) I...

    Nothing would make me become a vegetarian. :) I love meat of all types, but if I had to pick a last meal, and given my mother isn't here to make me her Genovese ravioli, it would be a huge aged...
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    Thanks for that interesting information. Yes, all...

    Thanks for that interesting information. Yes, all that WHG in that R1b sample sort of sealed the deal for me.

    Well, that's another bit of confirmation, if anyone still needs it, that R1b of the...
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    Sorry, It's Roman genetic history for dummies. ...

    Sorry, It's Roman genetic history for dummies.

    Unless they know what the samples from southern Italy look like for the Bronze and Iron Age, they have no way of knowing where this Near Eastern...
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    Do you see it in the Mesolithic, or Neolithic, or...

    Do you see it in the Mesolithic, or Neolithic, or Copper Age?

    So, can we ASSUME it came in the Republican Era, Imperial Age, and perhaps in Late Antiquity?

    If it's this insignificant, and it...
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