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  1. R437 can in fact be modeled similar to a southern...

    R437 can in fact be modeled similar to a southern Italian as well, and close to medieval samples:

    https://i.imgur.com/v0hnph0.png

    https://i.imgur.com/r5urnqH.png
  2. You are wrong about much, and I don't even know...

    You are wrong about much, and I don't even know where you are pulling these claims from.

    Medieval Italians plot right on top of Southern Italians, but there have been Italians that fall into their...
  3. The yellow colored cohort represents the range of...

    The yellow colored cohort represents the range of both Sicily and Calabria:

    https://i.imgur.com/wEB9YWY.png
  4. Also, I don't know if that is just an average of...

    Also, I don't know if that is just an average of all of them, but at least one of them, is a bit distant from the others. One of which plots right on top of Southern Italians, from Raveane et al...
  5. I believe it was Dodecad K7b for that one. ...

    I believe it was Dodecad K7b for that one.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39706-Ancient-Rome-Test-(Various-Calculators)
  6. Well, at least 6% in southwestern Anatolia, in...

    Well, at least 6% in southwestern Anatolia, in the late bronze age.
  7. Thank you, that is what I have been saying all...

    Thank you, that is what I have been saying all day long.
  8. ^^Again, some of these figures for particular...

    ^^Again, some of these figures for particular source populations for Italians look off based on what I've seen from studies. For example, there should be more CHG rather than IN, there should be more...
  9. I will say this however, considering that we do...

    I will say this however, considering that we do have some samples from the Roman paper, I can broadly speculate that an Anatolian_ChL/Anatolian_BA-like ancestry, mixing with incoming Italics is...
  10. We also need to consider the impact of climate,...

    We also need to consider the impact of climate, as well as the topology of the the middle east, form example CHG was isolated through the LGM.
  11. Here is the modeling of different samples from...

    Here is the modeling of different samples from different era, from the study I posted earlier. Here this show more than a two-way modeling:

    https://i.imgur.com/WeXhhXp.jpg
  12. Look, we can go back and forth all day and night...

    Look, we can go back and forth all day and night about it, frankly, I think the modeling figures look wrong. Not just for the inflated Levantine, but also the Yamnaya in those charts are WAY off,...
  13. I think considering the geography of the middle...

    I think considering the geography of the middle east, it is reasonable to think that Levant_N could have been more isolated from Anatolia, and the Caucauses. Which could also explain why the...
  14. By the Late Bronze Age, Southwest Anatolians...

    By the Late Bronze Age, Southwest Anatolians could only be modeled as 6% Levant_N, according to Lazaridis et al 2017.



    So even if you used these southwestern Anatolian_BA to model S. Italians,...
  15. If EC Anatolian has genetic continiutity with BA,...

    If EC Anatolian has genetic continiutity with BA, it should be ipso facto that Levant_N remains at zero/negligible amounts.
  16. We've been over this one before: ...

    We've been over this one before:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40024-Genomic-Diversity-in-Italy
  17. https://i.imgur.com/Ag9umqC.png

    https://i.imgur.com/Ag9umqC.png
  18. @Ygrocs & Riverman: From Genomic History of...

    @Ygrocs & Riverman:

    From Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, Northern Levant, and Southern Caucasus

    https://i.imgur.com/cTur0wI.png
    ...
  19. Guess what genius, it was indeed, in the time...

    Guess what genius, it was indeed, in the time period which is salient to the discussion:
  20. The PCA (Fig. 2B...

    The PCA (Fig. 2B
    ) indicates that all the Anatolian genome sequences from the Early Bronze Age (~2200 BCE) and Late Bronze Age (~1600 BCE) cluster with a previously sequenced Copper Age (~3900–3700...
  21. That is wrong, considering they are a two-way mix...

    That is wrong, considering they are a two-way mix of 60% Anatolian_N and 40% CHG according to qpAdm analysis.
  22. And ironically you utilize tools of Davidski, and...

    And ironically you utilize tools of Davidski, and up-vote people that subscribe to his ideas, that would most likely consider you a "monkey".
    Disgusting as it may sound.
  23. Easy, Levantine has North African, CHG/IN, and...

    Easy, Levantine has North African, CHG/IN, and AN, so where is the North African outside of Sicily? Only in a negligiable amount in SItaly1.

    I will ask you to keep this conversation civil.
  24. Modeling the ancestry composition of ancient...

    Modeling the ancestry composition of ancient Italian samples

    To obtain temporal insights into the emergence of the differences between Northern and Southern Italy in relation to SBA and ABA...
  25. @Riverman, the very next section after the one...

    @Riverman, the very next section after the one you have quoted from the study, also verifies what I have been saying as well:


    Late Antiquity and the fall of Rome

    Late Antiquity was...
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