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    No we don't. We have single Illyrian V13. And...

    No we don't.

    We have single Illyrian V13. And we have 3 Roman era samples. For the earliest of them a case might be made for an Illyrian origin.

    For the others, they are not Illyrian as...
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    Mainly the relation of Vatin to some neighbor...

    Mainly the relation of Vatin to some neighbor cultures. It's practically the same culture AND same people as Verbicioara in SW Romania for example. And it has other ties to other cultures. In fact I...
  3. No, the study supports a successive series of...

    No, the study supports a successive series of genetic auDNA and Y-DNA replacements with the final replacement wave being E-V13 heavy. And according to various archeologists and linguists being...
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    As I have stated Vatin is a culture with strong...

    As I have stated Vatin is a culture with strong links to other MBA cultures of the Danubian-Carpathian complex. This includes origins. For ex. it is practically identical to Verbicioara culture from...
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    Fuzesabony in dataset are also labelled as...

    Fuzesabony in dataset are also labelled as "2300-1600 BCE"

    Hmm, E1b is 1300-700 not 1500-800 like the Pacin and Felsődobsza. On Y-DNA chart you can see it appears younger. Does this mean the E1b...
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    Well surely IA movements did bring V13 to Central...

    Well surely IA movements did bring V13 to Central Balkan areas. There were also isolated Gava groups movements in LBA, but I am not sure these groups were V13. Especially as V13 might be tied to a...
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    So as Aspar didn't understand fully my point he...

    So as Aspar didn't understand fully my point he speculated that the EBA sample is not from Hungary

    Then Bruzmi says as the EBA Hungary has more Steppe than E1b sample it is not from Hungary??...
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    They are using the data also for other studies....

    They are using the data also for other studies. Surely they will release it. And this study has also hundreds of samples from around 25 different cultures. When it comes to Hungary, literally...
  9. Yes it looks awesome because it does make perfect...

    Yes it looks awesome because it does make perfect sense for V13. The study has a sole Nyirseg sample (male or female), but 7 or 8 Hatvan samples, of which at least 2 are male samples. And E1b sample...
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    E-V13 coming from Hatvan culture ?

    I have some new information's from the Pannonian basin study.

    There is just one Nyirseg culture sample from Eastern Hungary, I correctly guessed the site (only Nyirseg finds were there).
    It's...
  11. I am posting a new topic. It seems Hatvan is...

    I am posting a new topic. It seems Hatvan is where the V13 started and it makes perfect sense.
  12. I agree. V13 wasn't found in the Steppe. And if...

    I agree. V13 wasn't found in the Steppe. And if it were it would have been more widespread among other IE groups.



    it should be related with Cardials, so it came from SE Anatolia, hopping...
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    Halooo ba jel ti ćitaš.:laughing: Jesam ti napiso...

    Halooo ba jel ti ćitaš.:laughing: Jesam ti napiso da je 1/4 E1b tamo 1 klaster. So the Berisha-Sopi exploded, and where are the others that have also exploded demographically.



    Most of those...
  14. Yes Dema is one of rare Albanian M205, though...

    Yes Dema is one of rare Albanian M205, though there are some in Southern Albania (distant to his cluster) and also I think Krichi cluster was found in Lohja fis. I remember Urosevic wrote that Dema's...
  15. I'm not talking about Thracian or Illyrian names,...

    I'm not talking about Thracian or Illyrian names, but non-Thracian and non-Illyrian names in Dardania which have no parallels. Also the Albanoi carried unusual names, clearly non-Illyrian, one...
  16. The "Mycenaean like" E-V13 samples were the EIA...

    The "Mycenaean like" E-V13 samples were the EIA invaders from the Danube and Northwards. Many years ago there was an E sample from Svilengrad with Southern profile, alongside Bulgarian LBA sample...
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    No, but I thought of asking. Some data was...

    No, but I thought of asking. Some data was published already as part of another study.
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    Yes, though they were R1b heavy Etruscans might...

    Yes, though they were R1b heavy Etruscans might still derive from there ultimately. Their pottery certainly had such connections. I just again took a look at leaked diagrams from Pannonian study or...
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    Bulgarian/Eastern Balkans Neolithic is bit silly....

    Bulgarian/Eastern Balkans Neolithic is bit silly. MBA Bulgaria had R-Z93, 100 % CWC/Andronovo but cultural cousin to Zimnicea-Plovdiv actually. Old LBA sample was more northern too as I said. Only if...
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    These are Burmazovic...

    These are Burmazovic
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A11460/

    They are cousins of that Rytel/Rethel dude. Kosovo Serb YF016786 was really angry at me for mentioning Burmazovic back in the day....
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    Bruzmi (Maleschreiber) made Kriči into an...

    Bruzmi (Maleschreiber) made Kriči into an Albanian tribe on Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kri%C4%8Di

    So Dema is proto-Albanian after all. And likely proto-Illyrian, Cetina is J2b..
  22. Of course, I refer here to the relevance of...

    Of course, I refer here to the relevance of question of Early proto-Albanians in Late Antiquity/Early medieval times.




    Pannonian V13 was found in a "horseman" community. Though they do not...
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    J2b-M205 is connected to the old Kriči tribe. It...

    J2b-M205 is connected to the old Kriči tribe. It is also connected to the old family of Ugrenović. So it most definitely arrived from SE. But in Montenegro this cluster is no longer common, and it...
  24. Albanian language derives from R-Z2103, Central...

    Albanian language derives from R-Z2103, Central Balkan EBA and MBA locals. Ulanci carried R-CTS7556, and Ulanci group had some direct parallels to Paracin and Brnjica groups. It's obvious Central...
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    Zuto Brdo has nothing to do with V13. Zuto Brdo...

    Zuto Brdo has nothing to do with V13. Zuto Brdo were just Encrusted Pottery people from Central Hungary who moved to the SE. They were heavily tested and they were not V13.

    Vatin also were MBA...
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