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  1. I wonder why this kind of pseudoscientific BS is...

    I wonder why this kind of pseudoscientific BS is still going on here
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    It is surprising to me to see how heated a simple...

    It is surprising to me to see how heated a simple discussion about archeogenetics have turned, since I am not used to see them here, but for what it is worth, what I've come to believe is that...
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    My guess is that the majority of the imperial...

    My guess is that the majority of the imperial samples are indeed foreigners, but before drawing inferences about the demography one must keep in mind that Latins practiced cremation back then and it...
  4. This is why I wanted to keep myself out of this...

    This is why I wanted to keep myself out of this pointless discussion: no one denies Levantines and middle easteners entered in Italy (we have samples from the Antonio et al paper, those in the C4...
  5. I did not want to take part in the "nativist vs...

    I did not want to take part in the "nativist vs immigrationist" debate, since I think that new papers will make the picture clearer, and I have already presented my issues with the last paper on the...
  6. The abstract:

    The abstract:
  7. https://isba9.sciencesconf.org/data/pages/Abstract...

    https://isba9.sciencesconf.org/data/pages/Abstract_Book_ISBA9_2022.pdf , Pag 122: it isn't surprising that the samples from central Italy plot with previous samples from Latium, more interesting to...
  8. None of the 48 Imperial samples is used in this...

    None of the 48 Imperial samples is used in this study, they used just the 6 the found. I can partially understand why they wanted to rely on samples found not in Rome but in Tuscany in order to speak...
  9. Deleted: slow internet connection, it showed that...

    Deleted: slow internet connection, it showed that the editings were successful after a while.
  10. I doubt the Sicilian samples in G25 are even...

    I doubt the Sicilian samples in G25 are even remotely reliable.
    However, by using Etruscan and Levant Beirut Hellenistic on G25 as source populations and I've obtained very similar results to those...
  11. It is not "unreasonable" to speculate but this...

    It is not "unreasonable" to speculate but this theory has its flaws:
    1) it might not be a "sensible topic", but ancient Greeks were vehemently xenophobic and racist ("race" meant as any assigned...
  12. A few remarks: 1)We don't know what is the...

    A few remarks:

    1)We don't know what is the genetic make up of the C5 cluster: when only Antonio 2019 came out, it was everybody's guess if they were the result of massive mixing between various...
  13. I am referring not to the dark red circles in the...

    I am referring not to the dark red circles in the Campania cluster, but to the bright red circles that are outside it, beneath both Myceneans and Italics (in the second PCA the position of Italics...
  14. https://i.imgur.com/mQwkAlS.jpg...

    https://i.imgur.com/mQwkAlS.jpg
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/03/21/584714/F2.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1


    It is a mere guess, but to me it looks like the red...
  15. Though we don't know the ultimate sources yet, in...

    Though we don't know the ultimate sources yet, in the Antonio et al paper he was modelled as something locals ( I can't recall if it was latin or copper age farmers) plus anatolia BA. Interesting...
  16. I used in the first try all the republican age...

    I used in the first try all the republican age samples from antonio et al 2019 to model all the samples from this study, both those from BC and those from AD: the Etruscans before the empire get very...
  17. Personally, I've shared the criticism that the...

    Personally, I've shared the criticism that the slavic input is overestimated ( I think it is between 10%-20% in southern Balkanites) because 1) they chose Greek empuries for the whole Balkan,2)...
  18. @Pax Augusta I am referring to...

    @Pax Augusta
    I am referring to MAS003,MAS002,TAQ020,TAQ021,ETR1 and ETR016, those samples marked by pink squares on the PCA

    @Torzio
    The idea is just to see how the samples "fare" in various...
  19. I have played around with G25, because I can't...

    I have played around with G25, because I can't find easily the samples I need on dodecad (I do not like the arragement and nomenclature there to be honest), and the MAS003 sample always takes a good...
  20. Furthermore, even if the bulk of the Italics...

    Furthermore, even if the bulk of the Italics turns out to be like the Latin, it doesn't change the fact that individuals with a more "eastern" genetic make up existed well before the imperial period....
  21. I have reread the paper, and it is still a piece...

    I have reread the paper, and it is still a piece of historical research, which means it must be subject to the same standards that guide historical scholarship; I am no genetist but I have studied my...
  22. We agree that the statistical models are weak and...

    We agree that the statistical models are weak and the explanation also weak, so I don't get why you disagree with me, that is about what? Contrary to Jovialis, I haven't said a word about an "east...
  23. Interesting, do you know perhaps when it is...

    Interesting, do you know perhaps when it is coming out?
    Also, this paper hasn't told apart north Levantines from Anatolians, though the paper about the Danubian limes showed it is very easy to do....
  24. Quite strong words when I have just exposed my...

    Quite strong words when I have just exposed my reasoning, and believe me that I shall sleep at night even if southern Italians came out as 100% Saudi.
    If the Campanians (as the bulk of it) were...
  25. I want to be a honest broker, so if I must own up...

    I want to be a honest broker, so if I must own up I were wrong I'll admit to it, and say that the folks at anthrogenica were right about both a massive (really massive) influx of Levantine and then a...
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