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    12835 12836 Both in this paper's PCA and...

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    Both in this paper's PCA and the one from the Antonio et al paper ancient Romans, though cluster closest to north Italians, are west of them (also R437 is a bit west of modern...
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    12834 A caucasus shift would be still a...

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    A caucasus shift would be still a rightward shift to an extent, and though an Anatolian_IA-like gene flow could work well for central and south Italians (at least judging visually by the...
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    12833 I knew that the awkwardness of talking...

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    I knew that the awkwardness of talking about "east shift" when one refers to an upward translation in a PCA because the samples the shifted ones are pulled towards are geographically from...
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    It can be a possibility but I do not like ad hoc...

    It can be a possibility but I do not like ad hoc postulates and as for now we're still in the dark as to what caused the "east shift" (what I've called "AEE shift" to indicate the upwards translation...
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    Since I've already read some astoundingly dumb...

    Since I've already read some astoundingly dumb comments from the usual sites about the paper, especially that "it confirms that Italy was Italic-like before Greek settlers almost completely replaced...
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    I have read it yesterday and waited for a few...

    I have read it yesterday and waited for a few comments before chipping in, here what my thoughts are:

    First I feel two caveats are important to make: I've noticed a bit of terminological...
  7. I am not an expert but I'll give my two cents: if...

    I am not an expert but I'll give my two cents: if the "standard model" is correct, before the crown eurasian(henceforth "CrE") there was a split between the former and BE, and before that between BE...
  8. It seems that modern Italians get great matches...

    It seems that modern Italians get great matches for almost 2,000 old people that lived in Italy, be it that they get more "latin-like" ancestry or "Greek-like" ancestry.
    Now I wonder whether Italy...
  9. My two cents: it just mirrors the result of the...

    My two cents:
    it just mirrors the result of the Moots paper, but it just adds that it wasn't just Latium but the same pattern was observed at least in Etruria and at least some regions of south...
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    You are forgetting the hundreds, if not thousand...

    You are forgetting the hundreds, if not thousand years that separate the coming of IE speakers with the birth of the Greeks and other ancient European peoples: at least if we take the case of Spain...
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    I think we can say "some of which cluster with...

    I think we can say "some of which cluster with Cypriots" if and only if some do after the paper has been published.
    For now they are just a rumours for a guy who hasn't shown himself to be...
  12. The linguistic explanation is plausible, but I...

    The linguistic explanation is plausible, but I mean "where have you read it? Is there a source?". I ask because it is the first time I hear it. I know that Memnon swang between being represented as a...
  13. That is interesting: how do you know this?

    That is interesting: how do you know this?
  14. Actually it is the first time I reply in this...

    Actually it is the first time I reply in this thread, and because I had the impression that there is some mistaken, vague idea about southern Europeans' ***mentation from the part of a user from...
  15. Mine is just an addendum that likely the choice...

    Mine is just an addendum that likely the choice of Thracians isn't a good choice: though they are referred to by Greeks as read-haired it is very unlikely that the Thracians could have looked...
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    it was known at least since 2019 with the paper...

    it was known at least since 2019 with the paper that brought to light the Anatolian hunter-gatherer component that Ceramic Farmers had around 10% Levan_N,...
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    If the oldest R1b sample found had been from...

    If the oldest R1b sample found had been from western Europe, should we be talking about an European migrations into north America? Maybe in the absence of better explanations, but the spread of...
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    Yes, how convenient it is to postulate that it...

    Yes, how convenient it is to postulate that it was some Semitic-speaking groups travelling all the way there and settling down instead of taking as the most plausible explanation that it was spread...
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    So I guess that the J-M205 in India, Scandinavia...

    So I guess that the J-M205 in India, Scandinavia and even central asia was ancient Phoenicians settling there, and if you think that postulating founder effects after founder effects based on...
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    So did also iron and classical age Levantine...

    So did also iron and classical age Levantine moved to India? I might be recalling wrongly, but isn't J-M205 more common in the Balkans compared to Italy? Especially northern Balkans? did ancient...
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    It is not a good idea to take G25 results as...

    It is not a good idea to take G25 results as better than academic results, which didn't show any Levant_N needed for south Italians. By the way, Anatolian Farmers had some Levant_N so more EEF...
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    I own up my slip on E-V22 and E-V13, but E-V22...

    I own up my slip on E-V22 and E-V13, but E-V22 has been found also in Asturians, and it is a bit hard to link that place with any Phoenician or Moorish legacy, given that neither set foot there, and...
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    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/80390672862...

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/803906728622161951/822817058194587688/image0.png

    Also, the often quoted Fernandes 2019 (a little trivia: it was published exactly 2 years and a day ago)...
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    An entire "citation needed" disclaimer is needed,...

    An entire "citation needed" disclaimer is needed, but let's work with what you say:
    As for J1, you yourself say that only half could be "unambigously" connected to Semitic speakers, which would...
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    Please do not lie: you are also partially jewish,...

    Please do not lie: you are also partially jewish, so you can't claim to be just "half Sicilian half Lucanian" and use your results to show something that is supposed to generalise to all southern and...
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