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  1. The key to testing if there is a genetic basis to...

    The key to testing if there is a genetic basis to support Cyrus' Germanics theory is probably to identify the more recent components admixed into Iranians. To me these look a confusing patchwork of...
  2. Yes, Yamnayans migrated into the Pontic Steppe...

    Yes, Yamnayans migrated into the Pontic Steppe from the East. And non-Yamnayan Pontic Steppe samples show a resurgence in WHG as Globular Amphora moved in from the West.
  3. To get back to the point, there appears to have...

    To get back to the point, there appears to have been very little migration from the Pontic Steppe in 3,000 BC, whether male or female, otherwise we Europeans would be heavily WHG today. It looks...
  4. The main element of the incursive DNA in...

    The main element of the incursive DNA in Mycenaean Greeks appears to derive from a relatively early wave of Steppe Armenians (LMBA) autosomally associated with predominantly R1b-Z2103 populations and...
  5. That's what the results of my data analysis...

    That's what the results of my data analysis indicate.


    I don't know, I'm afraid.


    Early - mixed local. Middle - affected by admixture from several different Northern and North Western...
  6. Sorry, it takes a while to run the data....

    Sorry, it takes a while to run the data.
    Autosomally, modern Georgians come out as a remarkably similar mixture (of preceding local populations) to Iron Age Iran. Whatever affected Iran genetically...
  7. Yamnayans are a red herring as far as Bell Beaker...

    Yamnayans are a red herring as far as Bell Beaker people are concerned - Bell Beaker and R1b-L51 clearly look Balkanic.
    A possible route for IE that fits the autosomal evidence is Southern Steppe...
  8. It makes perfect sense. There is no proof of...

    It makes perfect sense. There is no proof of which languages everyone spoke in every location thousands of years ago. There is no record of Yamnayans speaking IE, but it doesn't stop you asserting...
  9. It's not my theory. I'm just saying it's a...

    It's not my theory. I'm just saying it's a possibility. Until there is clear evidence, it's better if minds remain open.
    We know Celts went to Anatolia and returned, and that Vikings/Normans went to...
  10. Broadly-speaking, my calculations indicate that...

    Broadly-speaking, my calculations indicate that at the early (5th millennium BC) stage Steppic + Georgian DNA was moving South into Armenia, but only Georgian DNA was moving North into the Steppe. If...
  11. I broadly agree with this measured post with two...

    I broadly agree with this measured post with two provisos -
    1. The most substantial contributors of Germanic DNA as a whole look most likely Corded Ware (mainly steppic autosomally) and Bell Beaker...
  12. It is not surprising, especially Armenian models,...

    It is not surprising, especially Armenian models, as we can see autosomal DNA from the Southern Steppe appearing in Armenian samples at a very early stage (prior to 4,000 BC), and we can also see...
  13. Yes, as with Cyrus' posts, there are grains of...

    Yes, as with Cyrus' posts, there are grains of truth in it, but there is little basis for its confident conclusions, which in my view are essentially misleading.

    For example, L51:
    We cannot...
  14. I've tried matching up the spread of IE languages...

    I've tried matching up the spread of IE languages with development patterns in autosomal DNA, and cannot find clear trails from specifically an Irano-Armenian origin point. In my opinion, it is not...
  15. Could I ask ... I have read several times about...

    Could I ask ... I have read several times about the satemisation of IE, but is it possible that IE was originally satem, and that a branch of it became centumised? Also, which other languages have...
  16. So, in just the same way, there could have been a...

    So, in just the same way, there could have been a small Germanic population in Iran that was not large enough to leave a significant impact on the genetics of Iran populations.


    That they were...
  17. It is possible that groups can be endogamous,...

    It is possible that groups can be endogamous, particularly if they only stay for a short period. Don't we know the Celts were in Asia Minor for a time? But we see little evidence of this in either...
  18. Yes, I see a likely Armenian LBA contribution in...

    Yes, I see a likely Armenian LBA contribution in present day Greeks mixed in with a lot of late steppic DNA (about 50:50 with indigenous Mycenaean). I suppose this could have affected the Greek...
  19. Oh, I haven't looked that far forward into...

    Oh, I haven't looked that far forward into Armenia.
  20. Yes to the first two questions, but I'm afraid I...

    Yes to the first two questions, but I'm afraid I don't know enough or have access to enough data to be in a position to form a clear opinion about the latter two questions.


    I don't rule it out,...
  21. Yes, these are from an analysis of large modern...

    Yes, these are from an analysis of large modern databases. Based on SNP diversity, yfull estimates a TMRCA of 3,500 BC for Armenian-coalescing clades of R1b and 2,200 BC for South Caspian-coalescing...
  22. The common factor between Armenia and the Baltic...

    The common factor between Armenia and the Baltic is that each appears to have hosted one successful steppic lineage, followed by a different later one. Regarding Armenian lineages, R1b-Z2103...
  23. Gutians also look like newcomers, being...

    Gutians also look like newcomers, being represented as ignorant of the gods and culture.

    They first appear at pretty much exactly the time that both SNP and STR analysis estimate that a branch of...
  24. It's a reasonable possibility, but just because...

    It's a reasonable possibility, but just because Reich says it, this doesn't represent proof. I don't think we know for sure which language/s the Yamnayans spoke, nor how widespread IE was in...
  25. Extant I1 had an extremely long formation period,...

    Extant I1 had an extremely long formation period, so it was most likely located all over the place - to try to pinpoint it is pointless. But it is not the only haplogroup that looks close to R1b-L51....
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