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    Lenab, clearly you and I are not, and never were,...

    Lenab, clearly you and I are not, and never were, in disagreement about this. I told you that you misunderstood what I had said.
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    Page 55 Because Greek and Phrygian were spoken...

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    Because Greek and Phrygian were spoken in the right place geographically. According to Hamp and some other researchers, Greeks came through the Caucasus, crossed Anatolia, to the...
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    I didn't say Thracians were Greeks. I said that...

    I didn't say Thracians were Greeks. I said that Macedonians were, or very similar to them. I said that Phrygians were close to Greeks. All of this is pretty widely accepted by modern researchers (I...
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    And? What's the point that you're trying to make?...

    And? What's the point that you're trying to make? None of this is worth studying?
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    Nowhere is that suggesting that Greek is the...

    Nowhere is that suggesting that Greek is the oldest Indo-European language.

    Austin suggested that Armenian is an Anatolian language. This is not widely accepted. So I said, "If this is true, then...
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    Anatolian languages are the first known...

    Anatolian languages are the first known Indo-European languages. This is well established. Greek is not. I did not say that Greek was. Nobody thinks that the Greeks were in the Middle East before...
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    I did not say that Greeks were the first to speak...

    I did not say that Greeks were the first to speak Indo-European languages. You totally misread something that I wrote. Also, I didn't bring up alphabets, you did.

    Your "racial" sense of...
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    I'm not angry but you're totally misrepresenting...

    I'm not angry but you're totally misrepresenting what I wrote. I never tried to "explain" that to you (what are you even referring to?) or to anybody else. I'm very confused by your...
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    The earliest inhabitants of Lemnos are said to...

    The earliest inhabitants of Lemnos are said to have been a Thracian tribe, whom the Greeks called Sintians, "robbers". The name Lemnos is said by Hecataeus to have been applied in the form of a title...
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    Nobody said this. You're the one that seems...

    Nobody said this. You're the one that seems confused about different languages and groups, such as "correcting" me with Hurrians when I said (and meant) Hattians, and arguing about Semitic-nature of...
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    Hurrians were not just in north Syria. They were...

    Hurrians were not just in north Syria. They were throughout Syria and also Iraq and quite possibly in Iran too.

    I never said that Greek was the first language. I don't know where you got that...
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    There is no association of Phrygian people with...

    There is no association of Phrygian people with Greeks .........the last we here about Phyrgians is that they where fighting a long war in anatolia against the lydians circa 500BC[/QUOTE]

    Lemnos...
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    I'm sorry, you seem to be really confused....

    I'm sorry, you seem to be really confused. Firstly, I don't know what you mean by Hittites being more Semitic and Eastern than other Anatolians. They had contacts with Semitic speakers, yes. And yes,...
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    You're right. Bithynia. But we still don't know...

    You're right. Bithynia. But we still don't know if Phrygian was Thracian or from which direction they migrated from. Again, modern consensus seems to support a Greek-Phrygian relationship.

    Lydian...
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    Yes. The Minoan/Luwian connection was suggested...

    Yes. The Minoan/Luwian connection was suggested like 60 years ago. But it's controversial and there are problems with it.

    We also have no reason to believe that the Phrygians=Thracian. There are...
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    No, I mean Hattic (not Hittite!)--the...

    No, I mean Hattic (not Hittite!)--the pre-Indo-European, pre-Hittite people of Asia Minor. Hurrians were further east in northern Iraq/eastern Asia Minor at that time. Hattians were in what is now...
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    Yes. Thanks. But I'm curious what people here...

    Yes. Thanks. But I'm curious what people here think are the most likely connections to other languages. I'm interested in the personal favorite theories of people here. The Caucasian and Anatolian...
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    It's going to be fascinating when they decipher...

    It's going to be fascinating when they decipher the Minoan scripts. Any guesses about what they might find?
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    To my understanding, Reich believes that Pre-PIE...

    To my understanding, Reich believes that Pre-PIE were located in modern Armenia or northern Iran (this region, with Georgia and Azerbaijan, is called the South Caucasus). From there, some of the...
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    Thanks for the links. The reason I suspected it...

    Thanks for the links. The reason I suspected it might not be Palaic is because the ware originally came for the NW. So either all Anatolians came from the NW (which I know is a popular theory) and/or...
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    J. G. MacQueen. The Hittites and Their...

    J. G. MacQueen. The Hittites and Their Contemporaries in Asia Minor. (Ancient People and Places, volume 83.) Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press. 1996 ed. Pp. 32


    Could these have been Greeks?...
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    Hamp seems to suggest, if I'm understanding him...

    Hamp seems to suggest, if I'm understanding him correctly, that the Greeks went their separate ways near Smyrna/Izmir. Some went south to Cyprus, some went to Crete (via Arcadia), and the remainders...
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    Kurds are linguistically NW Iranians. Maybe...

    Kurds are linguistically NW Iranians. Maybe originally from eastern Iran who migrated to southwestern Iran and then moved north with the Persians or Medes.

    I think that the original Kurdish...
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    Which would correspond to the mainland coastal...

    Which would correspond to the mainland coastal Achaeans (Ahhiyawans) and could correspond to the Hiyawans (which is why I was asking about these names earlier as Hiyawa sounds similar to Haya/Hayo to...
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    Supposedly Tigranes the Great brought 10,000...

    Supposedly Tigranes the Great brought 10,000 Jewish slaves to the Van area, and later, during the Islamic conquests, a number of Christian Arabs sought refuge in Armenia. Perhaps some of these people...
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