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    I see that hell has broken loose :) Despite any...

    I see that hell has broken loose :)
    Despite any opinion I might have about other Albanian projects I don't know any Albanian projects that are cherry picking results with the aim of...
  2. There are so many things wrong with what you say...

    There are so many things wrong with what you say that I dont know where to start. I will pick a few:
    There is no Muslim movement from the north to the south. where do you come up with this things....
  3. Well I am sure with facts that have been...

    Well I am sure with facts that have been collected that make up the larges sample of Y dna of the Albanian population. So unless you have another sample of that is larger or better its wiser to...
  4. How do you conclude that J2a is foreign in the...

    How do you conclude that J2a is foreign in the albanian population?

    All J2a that we have at Rrenjet, many of them high resolution test are all bronze age. No specific connection to greeks or...
  5. I fully agree that no one has a monopoly on this....

    I fully agree that no one has a monopoly on this. At Rrenjet we are proud not only of the large database that has been build but also of the fact that we don't keep members results hostage:). In rare...
  6. No, I am sorry. I did not ask them for autosomal...

    No, I am sorry. I did not ask them for autosomal dna. I presume they must have done it but since at Rrenjet.com we are more focused on Y dna I did not push to get that info.
    These first results are...
  7. The Rrenjet Project in fact has over 1,100...

    The Rrenjet Project in fact has over 1,100 results thus far :) and around 800 of them are exclusively members only at Rrenjet and processed in companies FTDNA, YSEQ and Dantelabs. A similar database...
  8. https://rrenjet.com/r-cts9219/

    https://rrenjet.com/r-cts9219/
  9. https://rrenjet.com/j-y21045z38300-j-ph1751z38299/

    https://rrenjet.com/j-y21045z38300-j-ph1751z38299/
  10. quite a few problems with your "conclusion". ...

    quite a few problems with your "conclusion".

    but fist with data. the largest albanian y dna project is this: www.rrenjet.com.

    all results there are actual members and not just collected results...
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    yes. the town was a colony, but the surrounding...

    yes. the town was a colony, but the surrounding areas had population that was clearly not greek. Even for Epir Herodotus and thucidities refer clearly as barbarians/non greeks.
    Thucidities not only...
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    The way he talks about them sounds like Neolithic...

    The way he talks about them sounds like Neolithic population. But as you said its all legends.
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    yes I have seen the map. but in any case there...

    yes I have seen the map.
    but in any case there are currently ancient remains from albanian territories being tested. most likely during this year we should get results from south albania and get...
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    I doubt it was pf7562. they are indoeuropean is...

    I doubt it was pf7562. they are indoeuropean is one reason they can not be pelasgian as Homer, which is the first written source for pelasgians clearly state that they spoke very different language....
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    Because of the divisions that the Romans did it...

    Because of the divisions that the Romans did it does not mean that was the border of Illyrian tribes. The romans had to take many things into account once they took over the area. one of those...
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    Well now you can also look at Yfull. It has...

    Well now you can also look at Yfull. It has plenty of results and it gives a very good indication its spread.
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    Also did not say one founder either. as this is...

    Also did not say one founder either. as this is in some subclades not one.
    There is plenty of native J2a to the balkans. so where do you have some sort of proof that is roman? All J2a that we have...
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    I did not say all ev13 is founder effect. I said...

    I did not say all ev13 is founder effect. I said most is. look at the data. The reason albanian have high ev13 % is from founder effect. that does not mean we dont have some diversity and does not...
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    You are fixated with red hair :)

    You are fixated with red hair :)
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    E-V13 spread during LBA/IA. during this process...

    E-V13 spread during LBA/IA. during this process some became part of the thracians and some Illyrians and some Macedonian as well. so it does not have to be either or.
    Bulgarians today have a very...
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    I am afraid we are talking about different...

    I am afraid we are talking about different things. Its not important if some thracians were Latinized or not. We know that thracian language survived till the sllavic migration. That was the essence...
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    I agree that it has a bit of a northern tendency....

    I agree that it has a bit of a northern tendency. But still because its one founder effect and because of this its hard to locate with certainty. ancient dna would be great though I suspect we...
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    Thats why I said proto illyrian for pf7563 and...

    Thats why I said proto illyrian for pf7563 and not illyria. we could say the same for j2b2 as well. proto illyrian. We know that Illyrians were identified by name latter than the greeks by the other....
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    That's a tough question and may be the language...

    That's a tough question and may be the language carrier would be the last question to be solved but from the main haplgoups that are more specific to albanians:
    E-V13 its a candidate but I doubt it...
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    [QUOTE=blevins13;621328]They are all Albanian...

    [QUOTE=blevins13;621328]They are all Albanian now, the important question here, like in the Greek case, is which line or which lines were the carriers of the Albanian language?




    I agree. The...
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