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    Looks like those guys didn't all come from...

    Looks like those guys didn't all come from exactly the same spots. Might explain the diversity of dialects : Latin, Faliscan, etc... all of them close, but clearly distinct. With differences...
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    Distance to: ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b ...

    Distance to: ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b

    0.03675835 DEU_Lech_EBA:POST_44
    0.04002633 DEU_Lech_EBA:POST_50
    0.04341762 HUN_BA:I7040
    0.04531833 HRV_MBA:I4332
    0.05019973 HUN_BA:I7043...
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    The same, with a Near Eastern source (When...

    The same, with a Near Eastern source (When applicable, it tends to bring the Anatolian down a bit)

    https://i.imgur.com/icfztsv.png
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    The Italian results (Modern) ...

    The Italian results (Modern)

    https://i.imgur.com/W9bg5JT.png
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    https://i.imgur.com/f2k3EYb.png Of course...

    https://i.imgur.com/f2k3EYb.png

    Of course these are "bottom line" results. They don't tell us via which population (Britain MN, BB, Gauls, Romans, Saxons, Vikings...) brought which genes.
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    Yes, that's how I see it too. They are pre-steppe...

    Yes, that's how I see it too. They are pre-steppe West-Med people, with fairly high levels of WHG.
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    Iron Age Croatians plot in modern day northern...

    Iron Age Croatians plot in modern day northern Italy, if I remember correctly.
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    Exactly...

    Exactly...
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    Does it really matter who made a tool, as long as...

    Does it really matter who made a tool, as long as it proves useful ?

    https://i.imgur.com/J2YVorB.png
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    Sample ID / genetic sex (M/F): I2478 / M Find...

    Sample ID / genetic sex (M/F): I2478 / M
    Find location: Via Guidorossi, Parma, Emilia Romagna
    Associated label in publication: Beaker Northern Italy
    Date: 2194–1939 calBCE (3671±40 BP, LTL-5035A)...
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    ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE486,0.113823,0.169593,0.02790...

    ITA_Remedello_BA:RISE486,0.113823,0.169593,0.027907,-0.047804,0.080323,-0.025379,-0.013631,0.001385,0.059925,0.071801,0.00406,0.013788,-0.012933,-0.003991,-0.016422,-0.017767,-0.002999,0.012035,0.0007...
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    Go there : https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/ ...

    Go there : https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/

    Paste the data below in "data". Then flip both PC1 and PC2 to have the north in the right place.
    Then look what happens. Iron Age Italics,...
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    Who could reasonably argue that blatant racism...

    Who could reasonably argue that blatant racism shouldn't be exposed? I certainly couldn't, and won't.

    But post, after post, after post, some people here are on the lookout for the slightest word...
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    I think I'll just give up on pop gen forums !! ...

    I think I'll just give up on pop gen forums !!

    On Anthrogenica, everyone wants to be Beaker-derived, and expresses their disappointment at being less so than expected.

    Here on Eupedia, it's a...
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    Indeed. All the references in my model are meant...

    Indeed. All the references in my model are meant as approximate proxies.
    They are not meant to give us the ancestral mix, but to suggest an itinerary.
    Sorry, I took it for granted that people here...
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    Add in some Mycenaean, and the Etruscan fits...

    Add in some Mycenaean, and the Etruscan fits improve perceptibly. Levant Bronze has very little impact.
    Boville slightly impacted. Prenestini and Ardea not affected.

    ...
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    A little experiment. The fits are not...

    A little experiment. The fits are not exceptional, but not ridiculous either - particularly the Prenestini's.

    https://i.imgur.com/recXulR.png
  18. Best thing to do is to test again for subclades...

    Best thing to do is to test again for subclades below L2. Then maybe you could narrow down on either Romans or Halstatt Celts - the two likeliest options, imo.
  19. Iran... whence Cyrus once emerged...

    Iran... whence Cyrus once emerged...
  20. It may happen indeed, but not only because of the...

    It may happen indeed, but not only because of the forces you mention, which will undermine our culture from the outside. No, it will happen because we are repeating the same mistakes Rome made....
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    It does from my computer. I checked just right...

    It does from my computer. I checked just right now. Try again. It's worth it.
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    You might want to (re-)read Maciamo's pages on...

    You might want to (re-)read Maciamo's pages on haplogroup I on the Eupedia main site. I reckon they answer most of your questions.

    You could also find this helpful:...
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    https://i.imgur.com/wAJKU8w.png A bit hard to...

    https://i.imgur.com/wAJKU8w.png

    A bit hard to reconcile with this :

    https://i.imgur.com/fEnCeO2.jpg
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    Nor sure the Celtic cross is anything more than...

    Nor sure the Celtic cross is anything more than an aureole around the head of Christ.

    Anyway, concerning the sunwheel,

    alongside the well-known swastika :...
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    I really can't think why "national consciousness"...

    I really can't think why "national consciousness" should be set against genetic "ethnicity". The sense one has of belonging to a national community, with all the historic and cultural package it...
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