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    Why would they want that? Given that they do in...

    Why would they want that? Given that they do in fact have a lot of DNA similar to the people who founded Rome. DNA from a Germanic invasion breaks that continuity.
  2. Old habits die hard. The people who made these...

    Old habits die hard. The people who made these claims are not up to date with modern historical, anthropological and genetic evidence. And the old judgments were made absent evidence.

    They are...
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    Interesting, the Iron Age Greek (I9123) overlaps...

    Interesting, the Iron Age Greek (I9123) overlaps with modern Greeks from the mainland. It's the only post-Mycenaean sample we have of Ancient Greeks. After the supposed Iron Age migrations and the...
  4. Seen many Greeks with West - and Central Europe....

    Seen many Greeks with West - and Central Europe. Wonder why that is? Perhaps some Greeks on average have more Steppe than others, and My Heritage puts that in the Northwest European cluster. So their...
  5. Still, Greeks and Jews are closer to each other...

    Still, Greeks and Jews are closer to each other than Hungarians and French. At the very least, one could argue that they have gotten closer than they were in the beginning. I am not arguing a similar...
  6. Because the same study shows that they may be as...

    Because the same study shows that they may be as much as 60% South European. And 15% Eastern European. That looks pretty similar to the Greeks to me.
  7. The Greeks, South Italians and western Jews are...

    The Greeks, South Italians and western Jews are quite similar in many ways. Perhaps they were not in the beginning. But they are quite similar today. The Jews have a large chunk of South European...
  8. Wasn't Cyprus mainly colonised by Mycenaeans...

    Wasn't Cyprus mainly colonised by Mycenaeans (Achaeans) during the late Bronze Age? Migrations during the Iron Age can explain that E-V13 might have come to Greece through post-Bronze migrations, and...
  9. E-V13 is also found in Cypriots....

    E-V13 is also found in Cypriots. Disproportionally compared to their adjecent populations aside from the Greeks. If it wasn't brought by Mycenaeans, then the question is from which source it got...
  10. This could be true for the South Illyrians. But...

    This could be true for the South Illyrians. But in order to hypothesize that Illyrians in Dalmatia later mixed with Pelasgians, we would first have to prove that Pelasgians were inhabiting that area....
  11. Interesting, this gives some evidence that...

    Interesting, this gives some evidence that post-Bronze Age Greeks were more paleo-Balkan admixed.
  12. It could also be that Sea peoples had Anatolian...

    It could also be that Sea peoples had Anatolian influence. And/or since Greeks settled vastly on both side of the Aegean there was circulation between of people in the Greek world (Western Anatolia...
  13. Were pre-Slavic Albanians like ancient Illyrians?

    If you mix the Bronze Age Dalmatian with a Mycenaean, then you have something closer to Albanians and Greeks. The only difference is that Albanians and Greeks will have some Slavic admixture....
  14. Sticky: Your assumptions based on your calculations seem...

    Your assumptions based on your calculations seem self explanatory. If Ancient Illyrians/Dalmatians are like modern North Italians, then we have an image of what was inhabiting the Northern/Central...
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    We should realize that we have in total 6 samples...

    We should realize that we have in total 6 samples from pre-classical Balkans. And we are too eager to discard two samples which are close to the modern populations. In particular mainland Greeks. Two...
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    Okey Demetrios. Thank you. So in three years time...

    Okey Demetrios. Thank you. So in three years time we will know if some Dorians had some fun with Mycenaean women. And if that Armenoi sample mentioned above was a modern mainland Greek which came too...
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    Very few Greeks from Asıa Mınor settled ın...

    Very few Greeks from Asıa Mınor settled ın Thessaly or Epirus. Most were settled in Northern Greece (Macedonia and Thrace) and Athens. Vlachs were overwhelmed already in Medieval times. It's just a...
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    Thessalians have the highest rates of E-V13 of...

    Thessalians have the highest rates of E-V13 of all Greeks. Vlachs in particular have less E-V13, than the average Greek. Similarly Vlachs have a high rates of R1b while Thessalians have the least of...
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    Yep, it is unlikely that the Steppe admixture...

    Yep, it is unlikely that the Steppe admixture influx has stopped during the Bronze Age. I guess that the Classical Greeks had more Steppe than Mycenaeans, but less than the modern Greeks. But the...
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    Was someone going to recover genetic material of...

    Was someone going to recover genetic material of Alexander's family? Sounds interesting, but stupid. My two cents on this, extracting ancient genetic material is fine. But ascribing it to a certain...
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    If I remember correctly, people who were aware of...

    If I remember correctly, people who were aware of the Mycenaean study were expecting it for years. It was presented a year or two later than was expected. Let's see if we can get a scoop. Thumbs up.
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    Great. It would be amazing to have some updates...

    Great. It would be amazing to have some updates regarding this issue. It is quite a waste that we do have in fact genetic material of Classical mainland Greeks while it is not published yet.
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    Would be interesting to see where this sample...

    Would be interesting to see where this sample plots on an autosomal scale.
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    Also, Northern Greeks (Thessaly, Macedonia and...

    Also, Northern Greeks (Thessaly, Macedonia and Thrace) as well as the Empuries sample almost have no markers reminiscent to the Iran sample of Ganj Dareh. While the remaining Greeks resemble...
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    I agree completely. The pre-Greeks dominated in...

    I agree completely. The pre-Greeks dominated in the Southern Balkans and the proto-Greek speakers mixed with them very early on. But given the fact that they formed in Thessaly/Epirus it would seem...
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