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    BTW, does anyone know if the files from this...

    BTW, does anyone know if the files from this study have been posted anywhere? Nothing on ENA it seems. I see that people are examining the Y-DNA.
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    It's all good, :good_job: I always have the...

    It's all good, :good_job:

    I always have the back of anyone who is being abused here on this forum. This is no place for hatred, but intellectual discourse.
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    Oh really, and what about the constant idiot...

    Oh really, and what about the constant idiot t-rolls that harass Italians, especially southern Italians? The countless sock-puppets? The Nordicists, Levantist, Afrocentrics, etc all trying to poison...
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    ^^Also, to compare Albanians to Berbers is just...

    ^^Also, to compare Albanians to Berbers is just asinine and underneath it, hateful, both to Albanians, and Berbers. It is t-rolling. I am not denying that.
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    Like I said, prior to the hobby, I didn't...

    Like I said, prior to the hobby, I didn't consider it. (i.e. growing up)

    "TBH, prior to this hobby, I never knew other people were so invested in the Iapygian tribes, especially in regard to their...
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    If anything, just start a new thread, and link...

    If anything, just start a new thread, and link the old one in the OP.


    TBH, prior to this hobby, I never knew other people were so invested in the Iapygian tribes, especially in regard to their...
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    Once again, SEA PEOPLES indicating the ASH068...

    Once again, SEA PEOPLES indicating the ASH068 sample is the only true Philistine among the rest in that study. He was similar to Myceneans.

    This paper actually provides a definition for a...
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    Indeed, it seems that people don't know the...

    Indeed, it seems that people don't know the difference between east and south. The shift is East towards the Caucasus region. Not the levant or north Africa. As far as I know the Romans didn't import...
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    Yes I know the study, they came to the conclusion...

    Yes I know the study, they came to the conclusion they were mostly local. The authors found it contradicts the idea of mass importation of slaves that replace the natives. Also, the existence of an...
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    Here's food for thought, Vagnari was based on...

    Here's food for thought, Vagnari was based on aDNA, in the region we are discussing. These citations you put forward are useless. They're not based on aDNA, what could you hope to accomplish with...
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    Also, I find your overconfidence to be brazen....

    Also, I find your overconfidence to be brazen. There are differences of opinion outside of the jerk circle of sophistry that holds that opinion.
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    Well you are already wrong about Latifundia,...

    Well you are already wrong about Latifundia, because as Vagnari showed, they were composed of locals.
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    I'd bet the pre-Italic, pre-Iapygian people, if...

    I'd bet the pre-Italic, pre-Iapygian people, if sampled, would be higher in CHG, and be responsible for the Daunians' eastern shift. I speculate this group's influence came to the forefront during...
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    I think it is important to note, there were...

    I think it is important to note, there were people living in Puglia before Italics, Greeks, and Iapygians. Where is their representation in all of this? Maybe that's why the Daunians are south of...
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    These viking paper samples from Foggia looked...

    These viking paper samples from Foggia looked like they could have come from all over Italy, I recall. The two presented here look like a holdover from the dwindling C5 cohort that existed in a...
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    Something else I find odd is that they didn't...

    Something else I find odd is that they didn't compare samples from medieval Foggia from the Viking paper. Which look different from the medieval Apulia samples they have here.
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    https://i.imgur.com/zud7Wl1.png It seems some...

    https://i.imgur.com/zud7Wl1.png

    It seems some people think that because the Daunians weren't eastern-shifted, it discards the idea that CHG didn't have a big presence before the imperial era....
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    I am a little confused at this paper, it claims...

    I am a little confused at this paper, it claims this is a look into a pre-Imperial era Southern Italy. But the Daunians were not the only people who lived there, so I don't know how they could draw...
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    https://i.imgur.com/4nL6aDE.png Considering...

    https://i.imgur.com/4nL6aDE.png

    Considering that they resisted outside influences also makes me wonder if the Imperial era C6 cohort was more representative of the neighboring people. Once the...
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    Indeed, ASH068 was the only true Philistine (Sea...

    Indeed, ASH068 was the only true Philistine (Sea People), who clustered with Myceneans. The others were hybrids, or subjugated Levantines.
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    https://i.imgur.com/LjOgNZQ.png Here are the...

    https://i.imgur.com/LjOgNZQ.png

    Here are the Imperial samples used in the PCA. The clear overlap of modern Apulia with C6, is evident. Considering, R437 another Iron Age sample, clusters closely...
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    Here I circled the location of R437 and R850, the...

    Here I circled the location of R437 and R850, the two Latin "outliers".

    R437 plots right next to the IA Apulian ORDO01

    https://i.imgur.com/bgGHqFW.png
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    Checking the citation here 22 and 24, it is clear...

    Checking the citation here 22 and 24, it is clear that Levant (Sea People) was reference to the Philistine ASH068, who clusters with Mycenaeans, as well as some of the more southernly IA_Apulians.
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    Thanks for that, looks like they are genetically...

    Thanks for that, looks like they are genetically "south" of Italy_IA_Republic (highlighted inside the purple square). Indeed, they have an affinity to them, as well as Croatia_IA, but they are still...
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    @Torzio, Could you cite the part of the paper...

    @Torzio,

    Could you cite the part of the paper that says they have an affinity to Croatian IA as well? I have only had a chance to skim through it. Don't mean to be lazy, but I have a lot of...
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