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I do believe that EV13 crossed directly from far north Africa very very long time ago, since from history read that pre-ancient greek time there were people living on those surroundings called Pelasgian, at that time since 2014 were I was still a rookie, and I still am...

Maleth buddy long time no catch, I was quite off for some time but I see that your post with EV13 has been progressing My interest jumped on R1b, well since i tested out to be R1b Z2705 on 2016 lol, I do also believe that EV13 crossed directly from far north Africa very very long time ago...

Hi Everyone, I was quite off for quite a while, and was wondering if anyone has any new good studies regarding E-V13?

Yes i can explain in one word, firstly your putting this very wrong and thus not being rational... I dont think anyone said ALL ancient pre-Greek and Greek populations associate with R1b or should be associated or has to be associated...well i cant explain more, just look at the studies and...

And will never be found?..DUDE what is that WRONG with this haplogroup that you wish so much that it will never be found?...this is really funny, there are no populations south balkans, north east, west ANYWHERE that they would not have at least some of all the haplogroups we usually mention...

Well yes pretty much what Maciamo and Eupedia argues about R1b since he is admin i think lol, so I would rather support more something from him or the study mentioned above that you agreeing or not, and I dont think you are using that much studies to begin with.. Then you mention "that it came...

I think you are not understanding my point/supposition, disregard modern or ancient autosomal affinity FULLY, I was talking ONLY for the migratory route (based on my assumptions, Maciamo hypothesis, and the research below) and date of R1b-L23 from 1500 BC. The source were spread goes from...

With all due respect and to your age, I never questioned your Peleponnesian roots, however we are talking here for 2000 BC, how many generations you know for sure that your relatives were Peloponnesus?... if you know for sure that all your relatives were 4 thousands years before than I truly...

With all due respect, since your all close relatives being Peloponnesus, we are talking here for 2000 BC, how many generations you know for sure that your relatives were Peloponnesus?... if you know for sure that all your relatives were 4 thousands years before than I truly BELIEVE you... Still...

My suppositions were only based on Ydna and not autosomal, I may have not noted that but basically all my assumptions were not related from the autosomal data given here...

As mentioned its just a supposition, why is so wrong or odd if your closest to Greek Thessalian or Macedonian? Never said being J2a you are 100% Peloponnesian, I said being J2a you MIGHT be closest to Mycenaens... much more samples are needed of course from Mycenaens... 1. If I may ask, whats...

Originally Posted by matadworf G 25 is really a questionable calculator for mainland Greeks. As someone of 100% Peloponnesian ancestry I'm oddly much closer to Central Macedonian, Thessalian samples than Peloponnesian one. We really need more samples from this region to take this calc...

@Angela this seems like Maciamos hypothesis and therefore asked for his additional input... This might not mean 100% that Dorians major group would be z2103 but definitely something to research about...hypothesis speculation = same lol @Maciamo can you shed light a bit more on the below...

And to what do Vlachs and Arvanites identify themselves as? You also mention... The I2 in the north might be explained by later Albanian influx (there were some Albanian speaking regions in the northern Pelopenessos until recently). HOW did you get this?...from all the major groups ev13 r1b j2a...

@Maciamo can you shed light a bit more on the below please?... 1. According to this source your R1b M269-L23 would be the same as R1b-M269 (xL23) ? 2. Here on this study the spread goes from the central Balkans dont know about the timeframe though...you also mention ''This branch of R1b is...

MAY I ask why you have removed especially vlachs and arvanites samples?

Wow if this is so true than these for me looks like very much of a peasant look, maybe from the mountains, definitely looks more whitish but def brown hair and brown eyes, it also doesnt look like very far south east of Greece alike were they might be a bit more darker, so around Midland Greece...

I have the same R1b Z2103 is that true for me too lol 😆 Distribution of haplogroup R1b-ht35 (Z2103) in Europe from Maciamo is pretty interesting, you can see that the highest peak is in Peleponese Attica Albania Calabria and Sicily... More interesting is that most of these regions have also...

I think much more samples are needed betwen Minoans Mycenaeneans and ancient Greek homerian ones... I have been researching for a while but not fully in professional manner regarding Greek and Albanian dna and all i can hypothise based on dna stats is this: 1. On the whole balkan region and...

Angela pretty interesting face, it does look like around 25% south Italians, Greeks and Albanians lol (no offense please) If this would be somewhat accurate to mycenaeneans face, and as curent dna sugest mostly j2a then can we research more about this 2 HYPOTHESIS? 1. "The Mycenaeneans are...