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Originally Posted by noUseForAname On EEF the paper states: Early European Farmer (EEF): apparently this is a hybrid component, the result of mixture between "Basal Eurasians" and a WHG-like population possibly from the Balkans. (possibly from Balkans) how do you know it came from near east...

Originally Posted by LeBrok In order to make such maps we need a lot of data from all over the Europe. By the nature of this data collection it will be a self reporting project. It is not the best way, but it might be the only way to gather data for these maps. Please post your EEF, WHG, EEF...

Recent discoveries in Europe, such as Cyprus and mainland Greece has shown that farming started early in south east Europe. In Franchthi Cavein Greece there are no certain gathering of plant foods attested before c. 11,000bc, although large numbers of seeds of the Boraginaceae family may come...

On EEF the paper states: Early European Farmer (EEF): apparently this is a hybrid component, the result of mixture between "Basal Eurasians" and a WHG-like population possibly from the Balkans. (possibly from Balkans) how do you know it came from near east (does it say on a paper?). This might...

I dont see how a scientific paper can be so "badly dissected" as you mention with only couple of comments on that thread, and from them that (i think) are not scientist. The proposed homelands by this paper is indeed south west Anatolia and not north of Black Sea, therefore i think it spread...

True that Maleth, looks like Yetos is not transparent at all, comments likeMy E-V13 neighbor is Palestinian baptised Albanian (?), this is unacceptable, Yetos please give and comments on the sources or you will be pushing me to report your posts. And this applies to others too, we are welcomed...

The french scholar (see minute 31) states Eastern Branch of PEI closely related with Armenian-Phrygian-Greek, while Albanian is of a Western branch Balkanic and unrelated to the eastern branch. If we are talking for the same period then how did it get there?..... as with the newest Yamna theory...

Thank you for agreeing (at last), my point was not to argue about higher level Culture and higher level writing system, but call it a low level Culture or otherwise its still a culture and Vinca Culture is the oldest as of now. And it might mean that surely they were not R* lineage nor J2, the...

Originally Posted by Sile in summary , the paper states that there was one set of haplogroups in central Europe prior to 4500BC and then another different set came in....the older set comprises of I2 , G2 and T1, C and others from what I recall .............corded ware was the others...

Originally Posted by Angela If you look at the chart on page 25, the division is very clear. The orange is Neolithic Farmer, although I don't know if it's exactly the same as the component in the prior Lazardis paper. Here, the standard is Starcevo and LBKT, and thus Stuttgart shows a little...

Originally Posted by Maciamo Norwegians have a higher combined percentage of R1a + R1b than Belarussians and Ukrainians. Plenty of Central Asians invaded eastern Europe over the last 5000 years, almost completely eliminating R1b in the region. I explained 5 years ago that this was why R1b was...

Can you cite the source please, i am very interested to read, from all the scientific papers and research at least 9 out of 10 argue that Albanian language is a separate branch of indo European and split from Hellenic (not modern greek) at least 3,000 ybp. You have obviously found a needle in...

Looks like obviously you dont get my point, i never said first civilizations spread from the balkans cause obviously civilization in Mesopotamia and Egypt is much different then the one say Vinca Culture. And Definitely Vinca Culture is not a predecessor of Mesopotamia and Egypt But we were...

So if Maciamo haplogroup timeline is correct, and according to early neolithic skeletons found: 1: Can we say that the early Neolithic people indigenous natives of Europe (at least as per ybp noted) are E-V13 (10,000 ybp) G2a2 (9,000) and I2a1 (8.000 ybp) ? Current populations...

Great point Angela... Greeks and Albanians have less later Yamna maybe cause (if we can suppose this way) as the predominant % of their dna is E-V13 (over 40%), if we add another Ie2 by 15% then we have over 65% EEF and WHG. Yamna is only 15% (graph above) and it could be mainly through R1b and...

Would this table had an explanation as the following below? 1: Most of Early Neolithic (9,000 years) - were already populated and lived (majority) at the current modern populations (and locations) such as: Sardinian, Tuscan, Greek, Albanian, Bergamo, Spanish, South French, Basque, Bulgarian...

Are you saying that most of Greeks are descends of J2a?....if so any more info related to this?....i would gladly appreciate it....

Its the very east of Europe Thesaly and Lydia (south west modern Turkey) Check above the roots of indo European Language (south west modern Turkey) it might be that it started from there and spread the language 9,000 years ago, some East and some West.... You might be wrong here, Vinca Culture...

So we have Ancient Greek and Albanian language Split at 5,000 years ago, Ancient Greek 3,500 - Modern Albanian 1,000 - Modern Greek 500 years old. This is from the written texts found, it might be much older. It looks like the roots of modern Albanian language is Epirus - Roots of Ancient Greek...

of course it has some latin or other words (as all the languages have), however by no means it is not "large part" as you mentioned Check the Illyrian words borrowed by modern albanian.... Cognates with Illyrian[edit] See also: Illyrian languages Andena/Andes/Andio/Antis — personal Illyrian...