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not sure yet... according to De Administrando imperio, both Serbs and Croats came to Balkan from most west part of Slavic settlements where they were called "white", which probably meant they were part of Venedi... The rest of Venedi would be Poles and Czechs. Czechs according to Dalmil's...

i don't buy it... we speak of 5% of population that has I1d1 and no I1d1 sample exists in Saxony in yfamilytreedna database...

you are joking, right? i1d1 map shows no samples in hungary and Bulgaria and only one on coasts of Finland... and i2a-din has nothing to do with Hungarians and original Bulgars... i2a-din south is in fact typical for Serb settled areas and shows few islands in rest of Europe that are probably...

let me try to direct this thread back to its topic "germanic settlements in Balkan" according to genetic search of Serbia http://dienekes.blogspot.nl/2012/02/serbian-y-chromosomes.html most of I1 found there is I1d1 now if you look at yfamilytreedna database for I1...

indications that Scirii are Alans/Sarmatians... or in fact a standalone race? some arguments about disputed origin of Scirii taken from explanation added to Tacitus book Germania...

stop drinking so much :) I2-Din is only I2 of east Europe including Ukraine where Goths dwelled for a while... if Goths had I2a-Din, there would be some I2a-Din in areas of kingdoms of Visigoths and Ostrogoths... but there is none... conclusion: Visiigoths and Ostrogoths had no I2a-Din...

Scirii are not really in Baltic countries area on any of the maps that I have seen, but in what would today be northeast Poland... and in fact exactly where island of I2a Dinaric south is in north ( http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=ymap ) e.g. look at...

I don't hate the thought...there are reasons I believe that PIE language transfer went other way around from Serbs to other Slavic people.... e.g. Dalmil's chronicle - key ancient source of Czechs about their history...

data puts them together not me.... Scirii and Hirri are mentioned related as east germanic tribes and also as related Slavic Wendish tribes (see above) btw. i suspect Hirri are same people as Heruli...Heruli are paired with Scirii in the same way as Hirri earlier in the history... and one of...

1) Pliny the Elder - Historia Naturalis Scirii and Hirri live next to Venedi and Sarmatians... in fact, there is a note that Parisot believes that they are tribes of Slavic Venedi "This gulf, which has the name of the 'Codanian,' is filled with islands; the most famous among which is...

there is a thing about this kind of topic... everyone (including me) sees what he wants to see..... thing is there is just not enough credible facts, so we can go around forever with various theories, which is what I did a lot often replacing some relevant ideas, discarding them and than coming...

if you are sure of it... did you consider that Thracians is same tribal name as Russians? they lived all the way from Greece to Slovakia, not just in Nis... don't you think that part of them would migrate north to Carpathians when pushed by Roman empire same like later part of Dacians migrated...

i am not connecting with Slavs all R1a.... Slavs are relatively new ethnicity in history... they did however emerge and spread inside R1a gene pool and from peoples who spoke similar variants of PIE language... read complete reconstruction above... name Sloveni is rather new and originally...

1. No, I am for freedom of speech but I find extreme anti-religion speaking targeted agains some particular religion to be also rigid group behavior that can come to existence as a reaction on rigid group behavior of that religion... normal people will accept that there are other beliefs...

let me try to shed light for slightly different viewpoint... R1a are field people...that is why they dig houses in mud.... I2 are warriors...they take on strategic places from early days... they build houses on strategic places - on hills, so they cannot dig in mud - they have to use stones...

and how large is the sample? I have opened - looked at all samples map for R1a http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/default.aspx?section=ymap and there are only 3 samples I could relate to Serb ethnic space 2 of them had same distant ancestor with name Josip (Croatian name) so what on...

source? regarding usage of world "mainly"... I2a in world is mainly I2a-Din Asia is mainly Chinese USA is mainly white age of R1a1 on an area is looked at by comparing all the samples.... if you want to speak of "mainly" this or that than you can throw away most age predictions for any...

that's true... that might be even future scenario of radical islam expanding exponentially fast in west Europe in next decades/centuries... point is one should never forget that he/she or someone he/she cares about could have been a member of opposite group.... and hence needs to make a...

hm, in real world (assuming we are able to know what real world is and what is a dream or illusion) you are born I guess as Georgian.... but in same real world you could have been born as Ossetian, or Abkhazian or Russian or Jew or black or muslim or.... and in case you were born in some other...

not sure that i understand this remark correctly... social groups are natural... it is not that I am totally against existence of groups... people have always survived by joining into groups... problem is in rigid group behavior, when one has very narrowed view and does not see anything...