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  1. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    The Dorians couldn't have been related to Hallstatt because they were first a Greek-speaking people, and second their dialect is the one most akin to proto-Greek. And again, there is not even a Celtic substrate in the Greek language.
  2. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I agree with @Angela. You cannot be sure of that, even though i am also of the opinion for this Mycenaean J2a being pre-Greek and thus assimilated, be it from Minoans or Anatolian IEs. But still i don't understand your narrative. It was you that gave the impression in the previous comment of J2a...
  3. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Most of I2 in Greece belongs to I-Y3120, and is either of Celtic or Bastarnae origin (I-Y18331 - possibly half of it and can be traced to 2,100 BCE) or of Slavic origin (I-Z17855, I-Y4460, and I-S17250, all of which can be traced to after the 7th century CE for Greece). A small percentage of it...
  4. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Linear B is a writing script, a syllabary to be exact, that the Mycenaeans used to keep administrative records. Mycenaean Linear B was evolved from the Minoan Linear A script. The first records that we have of Linear B are dated to 1,450 BCE, and are actually found in Knossos. This is important...
  5. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    It's actually 2/3 Minoan males that belonged to J2a, and 1/1 Mycenaean that belonged to the same haplogroup. Therefore 3/4. The other Minoan belonged to G2a. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/table/T1/?report=objectonly I see all of those haplogroups as pre-Greek. G2a is...
  6. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    It's TSI, pertaining to Tuscans, namely "Toscani in Italia". I have seen it in other papers as well. The samples are collected from a small town near Florence in the Tuscany region of Italy. They are samples from the Coriell repository...
  7. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I continue to stand by my last hypothesis. Namely, for I-Y3120 to have been pushed into Greece after the destruction of the Celtic settlement of Tylis in 212 BCE. They would have probably re-settled somewhere within Greek Macedonia. After some 100 years we have the creation and TMRCA of Ι-Υ18331...
  8. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Yeah, i agree with your estimation on CHG/Iran-Neolithic. It seems like it. Based on these samples we see that the green (CHG) component appears to have made a strong appearance sometime between 5,200-4,000 BCE (especially as we observe sample I0434); an appearance that must have come from the...
  9. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Here is another interesting presentation of that. Again, from the superb paper, "The genetic prehistory of the Greater Caucasus (2018)". CHG component EHG component WHG component Ukraine Mesolithic samples ranging between 9,000-5,927 BCE and Ukraine Neolithic samples ranging between...
  10. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I think they would in relative terms. After all, the Cypriots are close to Alawites but they aren't touching. I would say the same distance they have from Cretans they also have from Alawites, who by they way are a coastal population. Also, look again at the PCA i shared in post #2059. You can...
  11. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    These are decimal differences, therefore minor. And it's what i would except anyway. The principal factor of Turkish people differentiating is this eastern influence they have. Look at the following for example, where Turks from the Central provinces of Sivas and Yozgat are included, next to...
  12. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I don't think so. For example, look at this paper, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6748862/pdf/EMS84309.pdf. Namely, "The first horse herders and the impact of early Bronze Age steppe expansions into Asia (2018)". It includes two Ottoman Anatolian samples from 1500 CE, and they are...
  13. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Yeah correct. As Eupedia has written pertaining to this map, "The Caucasian admixture was brought to Europe by Near Eastern Neolithic farmers. It wasn't found among Mesolithic European nor among Proto-Indo-European Steppe people.". We know proto-IEs had approximately 50% CHG for example...
  14. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Also, don't know if you noticed but Cypriots are very close to the Anatolian Chalcolithic sample (orange color-filled triangle looking up), if not clustering with it.
  15. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    There is certainly higher CHG admixture in Turkish people, and this also plays its role, but they also have higher East Eurasian admixture in the mix. Here is the respective Caucasian admixture map by Eupedia. Both Turkey and Cyprus seem to have similar frequency, but Cypriots and Turkish people...
  16. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    It's not none. Those grey areas aren't included due to being unsampled. Here is another map by Eupedia, more general.
  17. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Turkish people have more Turkic ancestry, in addition to representing many assimilated ethnic groups and not just one. For example, look at the following map that presents the frequencies for East Asian/Eurasian admixture in each (or rather most) Turkish province, as well as certain...
  18. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Doric was the most conservative of the ancient Greek dialects, and is thus the one more akin to proto-Greek. Mycenaean (as attested on the Linear B tablets) on the other hand was an early form of Arcadocypriot, and could thus be designated as proto-Arcadocypriot. Furthermore, autosomal profiles...
  19. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    They seem very far even from south Italians. Aren't Sicilians included? I have seen PCAs where they all cluster together.
  20. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Thanks mate.
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