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  1. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    That's not totally accurate. Indeed the Neolithic Balkans were predominantly G2a (some 57%), but we also had some minor I2a presence, though certainly not I-Y3120 which came later. You can see some interesting pie charts in these following Eupedia articles, about Europe in general...
  2. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Mate, Cucuteni-Trypillia and Vinča people lived in the Neolithic/Eneolithic period, approximately 7700-4750 ybp, and obviously are unrelated to I-Y3120 that formed approximately 3400 ybp and its members share a TMRCA of approximately 2200 ybp. Furthermore, its I-Y81696 sister clade and other...
  3. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    You refer to further downstream clades that are either exclusively Greek or exclusively southern-Balkan, yet i am referring to the basal subclades of I-Y18331 which i mentioned in my prior post. I-A2512 for example might not be exclusively Greek (aside of the Greek variance within it) but it is...
  4. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    That Polish sample is not that new. We have already touched upon it in this thread some two months ago. He could very well be descended from an Ashkenazim Jewish family for all we know, and thus be related with the hypothesized south-to-north migration of Jewish I-Y23115, though part of a...
  5. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Thank you. Yes, i haven't done any STR analysis but from what i have seen FTDNA's products are considered the most popular out there.
  6. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Yeah, i also saw it days ago. I believe they changed on the 4th, and the note was taken out on the 5th, namely after the limit of 15 days had passed. As for your question, regardless of if this calculation is right or wrong, we should all take note that it isn't meant to be accurate. It is just...
  7. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Hello mate and welcome to the forum. The test provided by 23andMe is primarily an autosomal (also known as atDNA) test, namely its results pertain to the ancestry you inherited from the sum of all your ancestors. It also includes Y-DNA and mtDNA minor information, but in order to learn more...
  8. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Inaccurate is a misnomer. It is simply a statistical approximation which also happens to include subdivisions. Such approximations naturally strive for accuracy, and the more larger and diverse the database, the better the accuracy hypothetically. But objectively the only way to claim actual...
  9. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    YFull's Y-Tree and FTDNA's database would actually provide a nice approximation, but i am not aware of any such frequency table that has collected all of the results, other than Eupedia's "Distribution of European Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups by country in percentage" webpage that i...
  10. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Happy new year everyone. I wouldn't describe I2a-Din as that much of an important line in Greece. For example, in Eupedia's Y-DNA haplogroups frequency by country webpage I2*/I2a (pertaining to the broader haplogroup) is listed as 9.5%, with the "South" designation which stands for...
  11. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    The position of the subclades in YFull's YTree seem to have returned back to normal. Also, the following note has been posted concerning the dates: • An important message about ages • • An important message • We were looking forward to the new version of the YTree, but unfortunately, many ages...
  12. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Haven't really dwelt deep into the Gothic hypothesis other than finding it rational both from a geographical and chronological aspect, if we do eventually narrow down to approximately 1800 ybp (let's wait for the end of the update to be sure). But let me try and provide a framework now that i...
  13. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    The YFull age estimation formula for some reason didn't include all of the samples even before the new dates were published. It always seemed strange to me. There seems to have been a specific choice of samples in clades with multiple samples. I don't know why or how the rest were being filtered...
  14. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Updated formula for I-Y3120 is (2029+1220+1819+2072+1934)/5=1814.8 ybp, which goes on to show the floating nature of YFull's age estimation. If this holds in the future as well, it would compliment the Gothic invasion of the 3rd century CE, in regards to I-Y18331. By the way, it doesn't look...
  15. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    You are welcome. To consider a 2nd-5th century southward migration, i would need to see a much higher frequency of early non-Jewish samples in the north (as well as the TMRCA of I-Y18331 actually narrowing down to the 1700-1800 ybp). Right now such samples lack, but Zielinski could be a start...
  16. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    This 900 migrational date is just a scenario as you pointed out, not a certainty. I did provide a historical context in the prior post where i wrote, "Brsjachka is also where we find the North Macedonian sample of Plasnica, and also as shared in prior posts where we also find the ancient...
  17. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I see you joined yesterday; welcome to the forum. I am aware of the varying TMRCA dates in YFull. You might have read this older post of mine where i touch upon the very same issue of YFull's age estimation but pertaining to a different context...
  18. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I agree. Haplogroups (both Y-DNA and mtDNA) can assist the research for identifying historical populations and understanding their movements. On a personal level though, especially if the TMRCA pertains to many generations back, it isn't really more than genetic trivia, with Y-DNA representing...
  19. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Stop spamming the thread with mulitple posts that don't even pertain to the topic. And to end it here, i say again that flok is also found in Aromanian and it has a Latin origin after all; there is nothing to disqualify that it wasn't loaned directly from Aromanian to Albanian. Furthermore, we...
  20. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I agree that is not relevant, and i would rather focus on I-Y3120 and I-Y18331.
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