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  1. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I don't want to expand on this, but yes, i basically cited Milorad Stojić, http://www.doiserbia.nb.rs/img/doi/0350-0241/2006/0350-02410656073S.pdf. He actually makes a reference to linguists himself although he doesn't expand on that. A citation of his to Garašanin (1983) could maybe elaborate...
  2. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I don't know the source of it, but it did seem interesting to me. I personally haven't ordered the Global25 coordinates.
  3. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Very interesting that they included a "Greek Maniot" who is essentially clustering with "Sicily", in that last PCA you shared.
  4. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I agree that there are a number of tumuli yet to be excavated in Thrace which could provide an alternative proxy for those two aforementioned cemeteries, but at least for the moment those LBA graves in Argos and Mycenae-Chania do seem to have an association with the contemporary central Balkans...
  5. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Yeah, they certainly look related. Probably cognates.
  6. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    A common IE origin can never be excluded. It's always a possibility. As for the Luwian term, i can't recall any such word. If you have some time can you try and find it again? The only similar word that comes to mind from the Greek dictionary is the verb "σπαρταρώ/spartaro" (of IE etymology)...
  7. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Yeah, "kopis" is an Iron Age blade. I was speaking in general in terms of favorites. Nonetheless, several curved one-edge swords have also been found in the Mycenaean civilization, just like the following examples. They consist of one solid piece of bronze, and measure from 66 cm to 74...
  8. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Thanks. Personally i am very fond of the "kopis" type of blade, which is similar to the forward-curving blades of Iberian "falcata" and Nepalese/Indian "kukri", among others. Although not as ancient, "yatagans" are also very beautiful and efficient blades that could very likely be descendants...
  9. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    That pertains to a collection of samples designated as "Sicilian2". I believe 4 of them are from Sicily though and 1 from Liguria.
  10. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Naue II swords are part of a broader cross-cultural communication phenomenon that had began from much earlier than the LBA and therefore they cannot be strictly associated with a mere invasion. To understand their distribution, you first have to understand the contact between the Mycenaean...
  11. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    There is also this following paper, "Ancient and recent admixture layers in Sicily and Southern Italy trace multiple migration routes along the Mediterranean" (2017), but it focuses on southern Italy, not Tuscany. It nonetheless includes a varied collection of Greek, Albanian, and Italian...
  12. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    That seems like a rational estimate.
  13. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I am not saying that they have a similar history, or that they are descendants of ancient Greeks. The aforementioned autosomal similarity could also be due to having a bit more northern European admixture compared to other Levantine populations, and thus this mix would place them close to...
  14. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    From a quick review, i believe it was only those 6 new Albanian samples, could be wrong though.
  15. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    There is also that other PCA i shared some months ago from the "The genetic prehistory of the Greater Caucasus" (2018) which shows them clustering with southern Italians, Sicilians, and Mycenaeans (the orange colored triangles looking right). You could be right in part, but at least autosomally...
  16. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Tuscan samples in this paper (Population structure of modern-day Italians reveals patterns of ancient and archaic ancestries in Southern Europe - 2019) are from three sources i believe. One would be the "The Italian genome reflects the history of Europe and the Mediterranean basin" (2015) which...
  17. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I wouldn't just limit it to Sicily though. I would include much of southern Italy in general, including Calabria and other regions. Then again, Italy in general, from north to south, seems to project the highest autosomal affinity with the ancient Balkans as a whole. Let me also remind the...
  18. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Here you go, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/. Yes, the modern populations who have the closest autosomal affinity to Mycenaeans (and Aegean populations in general) are southern Italians and Ashkenazim Jews.
  19. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    The paper actually referred to modern populations from Greece, Cyprus, Albania, and Italy, not North Macedonia and Bulgaria. Specifically, "We estimated FST of Bronze Age populations with present-day West Eurasians, finding that Mycenaeans are least differentiated from populations from Greece...
  20. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Yes, considerable influence or not is subjective with these numbers, that's why i wrote noticeable. Furthermore, the same is true for Greeks (and Albanians) who continue to have mostly pre-IE autosomal ancestry.
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