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  1. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    There is a noticeable influence the medieval Turkic migrations left upon much of the Turkish population. We did touch upon that four months back. Look at the following posts for example...
  2. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    If i have understood correctly there is also a Lithuanian sample mentioned by @Aspurg which looks like an independent branch.
  3. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    It turns out Flytzanis (887728) from the island of Fournoi is positive for I-A10959, just as i had surmised. Meaning he is not I-A2512*. If i understand correctly he had done his SNP pack test prior of 2016, and thus missed being tested for I-A10959 which i believe was added in 2016 in YSEQ. We...
  4. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I believe that Serb probably relates to what @Aspurg mentions here.
  5. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I agree. Let me also add that there used to be an Epic Cycle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Cycle), which included the Iliad and the Odyssey, but most of which is lost today, only small fragments exist. Its lost Epics could have included a lot more information that relate to the Sea Peoples...
  6. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I find this relative video by "Epimetheus" adequate, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ycOut4qkFk. Especially when you combined it with the Homeric narrative of some 1,186 Mycenaean ships (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalogue_of_Ships) involved in the conquest of Troy. That was likely the...
  7. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I didn't share that video to open a discussion about the Bronze Age collapse (i have also seen two presentations by him where he expands on the subject), but just for the sections where he speaks about the Dorians not actually invading, but rather migrating as Greek tribes from the lands to the...
  8. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    French is simply the official language that arrived on the island with the new administration. There is no distinct form of French spoken by the Corsicans. At the same time almost half of the population continues to use the native Corsican dialect. There is nothing that relates to the ancient...
  9. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Exactly, i don't have to prove something that is already established and deep down you also know to be true. Last, trying to relate a character from a comedy to pretty much the academic community, that's what it has come down to.
  10. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I would need multiple thousands of words to reply to every single point you brought up sufficiently, but in short. The primary criterion of classification would be language. I don't think there is anyone serious out there who would claim that Minoans were Greeks, especially when we don't have...
  11. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Earliest Doric inscription is from the 7th century BCE if i recall correctly, which is a century after the adaptation of the Phoenician abjad and the creation of the first Greek alphabet by the Euboean Ionian Greeks (most likely). I don't see how the rest of the questions relate here. For one...
  12. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Dorians spoke a distinct dialect of Greek, had the same deities and religious practices as the rest of the Greeks, and were considered by all of the ancient Greeks as one of the main four branches they divided themselves. "Greek-like" in this case would rather be a synonym to Greek. You have...
  13. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I am already familiar with that article. In short, there seems to have been a southward migration from northern Greek tribes such as the Dorians sometime during the Bronze Age collapse and Early Iron Age. This is the prevalent view today, and it makes sense linguistically. Listen to what Eric...
  14. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    We already have a number of Dorian samples that are pending analysis. Also, there is no huge or academic debate about the Greekness of Dorian Greeks, this is already established. Furthermore, Dorians cannot represent a Hallstatt population, when even their dialect (and Greek in general) is...
  15. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Pomaks are not Turks, they are simply Muslims and bulgarophones. Also, i provided you a table with more detailed information, and Pomaks have negligible amounts of Turkic admixtures. Nothing to suggest 7-14%. Also, i am not going to expand on the amount of Balkan converts to Islam, but they...
  16. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    That sample still doesn't answer what the Pomak average that you claimed as 7-14% actually is. Here is also another graph from Anthrogenica that provides a more detailed view, and it lists the Pomaks with 0.25% East Asian and 0.18% North Asian admixtures...
  17. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    No, they left Crete for Lebanon and Syria between 1866 and 1897, on the outbreak of the Cretan uprising against the Ottoman Empire. Some others left with the 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey. All these still don't provide any Pomak average. That Kaspias is actually more of a...
  18. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Assuming 7-14% out of thin air doesn't make it a fact though. Do you have a source for these numbers? There are a number of Turkish people who were simply Balkan converts by the way. One of them was Cretan Turks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretan_Turks), who spoke Greek as a mother tongue...
  19. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    That doesn't answer my question though. Anyways, we are diverging from the thread's subject, we can continue this through PM if you want.
  20. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Can you please provide a source for these numbers? Also, does this pertain to autosomal, Y-DNA, or mtDNA? If autosomal, does it pertain to East Asian admixture, or something else? 7-14% seems too high for Pomaks. I mean, that would be the Turkish average...
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