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  1. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    From a quick review of that paper, i see that it deals with a number of Jewish populations, namely 7 (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) while what is of interest in our case are Ashkenazim Jews exclusively. By reading the abstract of the paper, it...
  2. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I don't know about their Y-DNA in depth, but a paper i read a couple of years ago found out that most of Ashekanzim Jewish mtDNA lines are European. Namely from "A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages" (2013), "Given the strength of the case for even...
  3. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Concerning the aforementioned paper, it doesn't specify the exact medieval Slavic contribution. For example, it also says 16.2% Orcadian, 34.6% French, 53.4% Tuscan, among others. Those frequencies don't make any sense, even if we account for the standard errors mentioned. And take note that the...
  4. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I saw the quote and the actual Table S5, and probably a lot of that frequency has to do with CEU (western Europe) "if medieval", rather than actual Slavic populations which you mentioned in your prior comment. It doesn't specify. But if you go at Table S5 you see that CEU (western Europe) shows...
  5. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Take note that 0.2% is only observed at south Tsakonia, which is part of its lower average, namely 0.2%-0.9%. The actual average among individuals outside Mani and Tsakonia is 4.4%-14.4%, again for ultimate Slavic admixture, not intermixed cases. The sample size of the paper which includes these...
  6. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    But he didn't write of I2a-Din in Greece in a general manner, he wrote specifically of I-Y18331. You should also consider the following. We have no records of Celts or Bastarnae settling in Greece, only for their migrations, which suggests that whoever it was that settled (as the evidence...
  7. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Thanks for the clarifications. I know of the Torbesh, bus was unaware of the tendecy towards Turkic identification that you wrote of. Something similar is observed with a minority of the Muslim Pomaks (bulgarophones) and Roma (Gypsies) in Thrace, but most are against that stance. Other than that...
  8. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    It is a mistake to be trying and merge the R1b and I2a cases in relation to Celts. Despite that, i did show you that R-S28 is present in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Turkey (Galatia). This alone corroborates what i have been writing. But again, this doesn't account for the founder effect...
  9. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    It would be extremely interesting if that Irishman turns out basal I-Y3120 after all. The Armenian aforementioned samples are a little confusing, although they can be associated with the Celts of Galatia in central Turkey. Then again, they could likely belong to downstream clades and be of...
  10. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Yes, those who assimilated them are not Celts obviously. But i am not referring to Bastarnae, since they were Celto-Germanic in elements. I am referring to later populations. I have already shared a quote describing the presence of Bastarnae in antiquity (which includes areas of White Croats as...
  11. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Let me ask you something. Are you aware of any Celtic community that has survived in either central or eastern Europe? No. Then how can you be treating only people from the British Isles as descendants of Celts. Obviously many Celts were assimilated in the 1st millennium CE. You also bring the...
  12. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I totally agree with what you write. The I-CTS10228 Irishman you mention is something i was unfamiliar with but pleasantly come to learn. The Armenian samples are also interesting. Can't wait to learn more of them. Also, your Jewish analysis in relation to the clade is on point. I did mention...
  13. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I agree with what you write, and to tell you the truth i myself begin to incline more towards the Bastarnae hypothesis with this last small exchange i had. As i wrote to @hrvat22, that I-Y158862/BY182587 subclade can easily be explained through the Bastarnae, with them carrying I-Y3120 or...
  14. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I know that the current TMRCA of I-Y3120 is 2100 ybp mate. But you should take those dates with a grain of salt, they aren't absolute. Hence why we are suggesting models that can be complimented by historical events as well. To be precise, the current TMRCA of YFull for I-Y3120, as established...
  15. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    It's not a matter of having brought more haplotypes and trying to identify them. I-Y3120 was one that increased considerably in frequency through a founder-effect phenomenon. Now, trying to identify haplogroups that might not have had the same luck is irrelevant to me. We already know there have...
  16. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    We don't need any I-Y3120 in England. We have samples in YFull's Y-Tree from France and Germany belonging to I-Y3120's sister clade, namely I-Y81696, and we also have a I-Y3120* from southern Poland. To be precise, the French sample is from Bas-Rhin (northeastern France), the German sample from...
  17. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Yes, i have also read that it had Celtic elements, and that its also associated with Germanics and proto-Slavs. It seems the Celtic elements originate form the La Tène culture and the Germanic from the Jastorf and Pomeranian cultures. By the way, the Pomeranian culture has also been associated...
  18. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    As aforementioned, i view the I-Y18331 formation in association with the Celts of Tylis. Specifically i believe that following the invasion of Celts in Greece, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#Invasions_of_Greece, and namely after the Battle of Lysimachia in...
  19. Demetrios

    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I am not a proponent of Bastarnae as a proxy of at least I-Y3120 > Y18331. I first read it from @Aspurg, and then i also read it in another thread from another member (can't recall his/her name). I personally have objections with it, specifically for I-Y18331, although i am not sure about...
  20. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Forgot to answer the second question. I personally like Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K7b (as aforementioned).
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