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The modern samples used in the "The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years (2019)" paper are taken from the "Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans (2014)", therefore there were 11 Sicilian samples as this following table...

Yeah, no worries. By the way, it seems the Mycenaean samples through Dodecad K7b give good distances for the Greek average as well, https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans/page81?p=601069&viewfull=1#post601069. I also like the modern distances it gives.

I agree. By the way, you had even closer results through Dodecad K7b, https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans/page81?p=601025&viewfull=1#post601025.

Well, that is a known fact obviously. Mainland Greeks don't cluster with Mycenaeans for example despite being relatively close. Southern Italians, Sicilians, and Ashkenazim Jews tend to do though. The aforementioned paper had also the following to say, "Population expansions during the Middle...

There is this following paper that studied the Griko (among others), "Ancient and recent admixture layers in Sicily and Southern Italy trace multiple migration routes along the Mediterranean (2017)", and included them within a broader "Mediterranean genetic continuum". Namely, "In particular...

I agree, with the exception of southern Italy though. The reason it was named Magna Graecia was because more Greeks lived there in antiquity than in Greece itself.

Their linguistic conservatism can be easily explained through the fact that they were living at the outlier of the Greek-speaking world. Plus, there is even variety among Pontic Greek-speakers, with their most conservative sub-dialect being the Ophitic Greek. As for genetics, other than the PCAs...

These two samples look like the Hellenistic ones, am i correct? I believe the Classical one would be closer to Sicilian_West instead.

What i also find interesting is that the earliest Ionian Greek samples (red square with triangle inside) from Empúries had a drift towards the modern Greek cluster from what i see in the PCA below, which can also be seen as a drift towards the low quality sample of Crete_Armenoi. Having said...

It turns out my supposition was correct after all, although in part. I am indeed also a member of I-Y18331. Though to my surprise i am not under the same subclade (I-A7134>Y32624) as the sample from Messenia (Antonopoulos - N80837/YF04184), which is where my paternal family originates from...

The rumors suggest two R1b-M269 Mycenaeans. An R1b-Z2103 (which could corroborate an association with the Catacomb culture - West Yamnaya), and one that wasn't R1b-Z2103. Therefore supposedly two different clades. Here are the relevant rumors...

You just reminded me to update you on something i learned on Monday and had totally forgotten about it. After our little exchange on Saturday, i decided to re-watch the aforementioned preliminary presentation by Nikos Psonis, and at the end of it i learned something that i hadn't grasped the...

It would be great, and i am sure that within this decade plenty of relevant samples will be published. But in the absence of samples i always tend to hypothesize based on respective geographical distribution, and thus i don't imagine Thracians proper (even the ones close to the coast) being much...

To whom are you responding? By the way, i agree with you as we discussed this one and a half month ago. To answer your question, yes, there were different branches of Thracians and specifically northern Bulgaria was inhabited by the branch of Moesi. Although, Dzhulyunitsa (where the sample was...

Edit: Mistaken post, i deleted it. (3000-3500 years ago pertains to 1500 BCE)

Lazaridis simply wrote that both models are currently on the table, not that he supports an Anatolian over a Northern route. He says we need more samples. Furthermore, in the very supplementary information of the paper we read, "However, we do notice that the model...

I am only aware of the Greek paper that i mentioned in this thread some four months ago. As has already been mentioned, some of those samples have been shown in a preliminary presentation almost two and a half years ago, and will be part of an actual publication that is expected in the next...

Very nice, thanks for sharing.

Here are mine at 0.5 for K13, K15, and Dodecad K12b. Wish we had more samples from Greece.

I agree with the general message. Greeks were influenced from their neighbors and created something unique of their own. As for Phoenicians and their writing script. It was an abjad script that was transmitted to the Greeks, who took it and created the very first true alphabet. So, we took...