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  1. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Doric is already classified. There is no open chapter in terms of that. It was a Greek dialect, with a number of sub-branches. And by the way, i personally support that there was a southward migration of Dorians from the Pindus mountain range, as is also explained in this post. I don't agree...
  2. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Here it is. I edited it again to show better. I also include a map below it, with the respective locations that are cited.
  3. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    The etymology of Tsakones is a little more complicated than that. The name "Tsakones" (Τζάκωνες/Τσάκονες) must have been acquired at some point around the 8th century CE, initially as an exonym. It was imposed on them by the Roman (Byzantine) administration, and means "irregulars that serve as...
  4. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I do mention the Maran hypothesis and the "Četina phenomenon" here, https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans/page80?p=598415&viewfull=1#post598415. It was certainly a factor but as i explain in the post i shared it is more complicated than that with...
  5. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    First of all, there is not a single Doric sample with an E-V13 paternal haplogroup. Therefore it is purely hypothetical that they even had it or that it was even major in them. Could there be, of course it could considering the age and timing of the relevant branches. Then again, the LBA period...
  6. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Pretty much in corroboration with this small segment found in “The Cambridge Ancient History” (Vol. II part I: History of the Middle East and the Aegean Region c.1380-1000 BCE – edited by I.E.S. Edwards, C.J. Gadd, N.G.L. Hammond, L. Sollberger). Then again, they could have chosen to use the...
  7. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    It doesn't make any sense genetically, but then again, whatever really.
  8. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Buddy, i was in the same boat as you one to one and a half year ago. I would go and discuss mostly in private with people about the Anatolian (initially) and then the Transcaucasian origin of PIE, but as i learned more and went through the studies it became more and more clear to me that the...
  9. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Yeah, beyond that quote from the abstract you can also go and read his basic premises. Here is the first one: "Let us begin with some basic premises: 1. The most likely homeland of speakers of the unified Indo-European parent language was located to the north of and between the Black...
  10. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    OK buddy...
  11. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    A single author has written a quote in a Eupedia article and you treat it as dogma because you have no serious academic corroboration to support what you initially claimed, nor does the quote you cite for that matter. Now you even claim that Dorians were not Greeks (which was itself a collective...
  12. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Go read that paper, and then come and claim the same thing. Don't judge it from the title. Also, the comment i made for some of the J2a being expanded with the IEs, pertained to the steppe IE expansions, beginning from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, not Transcaucasia, and certainly not Iran.
  13. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Don't tell me what the Lazaridis paper says again. Explain to me how does it corroborate the notions you are promoting, because it obviously doesn't. You don't even understand the simple English that the paper is conveying.
  14. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I now see what's the narrative. I am not going to continue this discussion, believe whatever you want mate.
  15. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    First of all, the very genetic paper that this thread is based on shows that autosomally those Minoan samples have none of the steppe component that is present among the Mycenaean Greek samples. That same steppe component also indicates the arrival of steppe Indo-Europeans and is what...
  16. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Not just Vučedol. In fact, the Balkano-Lower Danubian complex (also known as Sălcuța-Krivodol-Bubanj and its subsequent Šupljevec-Bakarno Gumno-Maliq) and the Četina phenomenon are more likely in terms of the Graeco-Phrygian ancestors. Especially the Šupljevec-Bakarno Gumno-Maliq complex.
  17. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    The paper suggests based on its findings that "Proto-Greek speakers formed the southern wing of a steppe intrusion of Indo-European speakers." (verbatim), pertaining to Europe. And bear in mind this is just from a genetic approach, that also happens to corroborate what i had written to you in...
  18. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I know that paper by heart. Where does the Lazaridis paper corroborate anything of what you have been promoting or suggesting? Do you understand what it says above?
  19. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    Maciamo or not, these are still ignorant and short-sighted quotes. I have read a few comments of Maciamo in the past relating to Armenians and i liked some of his hypotheses (i believe he is Armenian after all and would probably know more of his ethnic group), but that doesn't make these other...
  20. Demetrios

    Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

    I have seen the Eupedia article, still though i don't see how what it writes is even academically corroborated. If i sat down and discussed with the person who wrote that article he would immediately change his mind. Don't treat Eupedia articles as a bible. There are many errors in what he...
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