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Yes, in order to make a good argument that these Lebanese are of Phoenician origin, the TMRCA amongst themselves should be 3000+ ybp and not only 1900 ypb. Instead, they share that TMRCA with a south Albanian sample, which points to their distant origin as the brother clade, J-Z2507, is as...

Are you now just straight up lying, or are you still having trouble interpreting the YFull tree? Look, they split from the Albanian sample 1000 BC (3000 ypb), and not 0 AD: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z597/ Before you mention Phoenicians again, the aDNA sample from MBA Croatia was also Z597+...

And what Y-DNA had these 'other' samples around him from the same time period? That's right, he was the only one with a Y-DNA haplogroup. Stop spamming this thread with made up stuff! Congrats, you finally found a single north African J-L283 out of ~700 samples :laughing: Check again, all...

Yes, of course, the Croatian J-L283 kid from 3600 ybp was just some isolated Wanderer who came from the Levant or West Asia right at the time he was found. You have it all figured out :laughing: Keep it up with the imagination. Have a nice day!

I was trying to help you interpret the YFull tree. Instead, it appears you're going back to writing long walls containing imaginary things. Do you even see a single North African anywhere within L283, which would support your theory that the Carthagenians carried it into Sardnia? Besides the...

The TMRCA of J-YP29 is not very precise because the Sardinian samples are low coverage. I would guess it's at least 3000 ybp. The same situation with J-Z600>YP157. However, we know that J-YP157 formed ~5400 ybp (TMRCA of J-Z600), and the fact that Sardinians under J-YP157 share only 4 SNPs...

Forget about this guy and his imagination. We might soon have an Albanian sample in the J-YP29 subclade ;)

Pretty much agree with the points made in the above posts. He is the same guy who just a few months ago was claiming that J-L283 expanded from Sardinia. Now, he claims it arrived there 1000 BC and later with Phoenicians, Carthagenians, etc. Yet, we already have J-L283 from BA Sardinia (~1200...

We have around 5 R-PF7562 members with DYS385=12-13, all of whom are Tosks. They seem to form two unrelated branches. One of them actually just received his BigY results today, and he is R-PF7563>Z29758*. Also, another one with DYS385=12-13 recently tested as R-PF7563>Z29758>Y32042* (he is...

It's the one with GATAH4=12 that we discussed some time ago, and that we thought could be some Z17107. As stated, he is positive for three SNPs at YFull's E-Y133830 level, where Bjelopavlici are. Also the new French sample defines the same exact split. I guess we'll have to see if this Albanian...

I wouldn't expect anything else from zanipolo aka sile.

:laughing: Don't mess with Aspurg : p

If these YFull TMRCA's are anything to go by, IMO, E-CTS9320 is just too young to have been involved in many different Paleo-Balkan ethnicities. So I think in all likelihood it would've either been among Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, or some Thraco-Illyrian zone like the Dardanians or the Moesians.

He doesn't have the DYS438=11 or DYS439=13. Otherwise, the rest of his STRs are fairly modal. Anyways, we hope to confirm his positioning with SNP testing, as he could be any other E-CTS9320 that has mutated from GATAH4=11 to 12. And I agree with you that we're probably becoming the most...

We just got our very first Albanian from southern Albania with some of those off modals ;), including DYS389II=29, DYS458=16, DYS447=25, GATAH4=12. This haplotype is consistent with E-CTS9320. As you know, the GATAH4=12 is a good predictor for Z17107+, and since he doesn't have the DYS458=17 or...

I think you might have misunderstood me on this one. I never tried to "prove" or push for the theory that J-L283 came from the "Steppe", just that it's one of the likelihoods based on the archeogenetic finds. In fact, if you read the J-M241 thread on that other forum, you can see that initially...

No, he just uses YFull samples and calculates the origin as the midway point of parallel clades. (In some haplogroups, like J-L283, he does use aDNA in addition). It's a good program, but I wouldn't take it seriously. There is some Portuguese samples in between E-Z5016 and E-CTS6377, hence the...

While some Illyrians (perhaps northern ones) could have had R-U152, I very much doubt that this would've been among their main haplos. The modern R-U152 clades in NW Balkans could be as a result of different migrations, such as Celts, Romans, Germanics, etc. There is also a disagreement on how...

Nicely done, Aspurg!

I'm starting to think that perhaps J-L283 might be a better fit for the Cetina Culture, or might've been the more common Y-haplogroup, especially since now it has also appeared in LBA Sardinia. (PS. Since J-L283 wasn't found there from an earlier period, this would be consistent with the idea...