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Historical facts state there were Illyrians in modern Albania. But thanks for exposing yourself for what you are..

I have to applaud user Excine. Unlike some around these foras, he has consistently shown that his opinions are not influenced by what haplogroup he belongs to. He sees things as they are, and without trying to "diminish" other haplos. As for the most recent paper/presentation, yet again we have...

Since the BAM files have been published, I looked into the raw data for some of these samples. Below are some improvements/corrections. He is showing negative at J-Z40052, J-Z38240, and J-Z638. The coverage is not ideal, so assuming the reads are correct, he should either be J-Y146400...

Fair enough, I just wanted to make the point that we should be careful with regards to which J2 branches to call "Illyrian", when the data nowadays is right in front of our eyes.

If you followed forum "Foleja", the first person to propose it was user Kelmendasi back in 2017 when I4331 from MBA Dalmatia was first published. I remember like today, because I thought it was somewhat young for Cetina culture and more likely a "Proto-Illyrian" sample. Well, years later, it...

You have the same story with other South Slavic nations. J2b-L283 doesn't even exceed 5% among any of them. Bosnian Serbs usually have elevated levels of J2b-M205 (due to a recent founder effect of J-Y22059) which has never been found among any Illyrians. It's interesting that in today's day and...

What "nationalistic theories of mine are shot"? Just because I listed the samples from Albania first, which were based on alphabetical order, like the supplementary sheet from the paper. Come on Torzio/Sile/Vettor. You can do better than that :lol2:

I see. I think you don't like it the way posted because the samples from Albania are listed first :embarassed: Well, if you look at the Supplementary materials Data S1 from the paper, the samples are arranged based on country, with Albania starting first, and so on, just as I listed them. So...

Yes. Just had to mention the genetic link between early Iapygians and ancient Montenegro in J-Y21878 so that people like Torzio are once and for all proven wrong. Not that he hasn't already been (repeatedly) ;-)...

Unfortunately, the current Reich lab methodology (1240k data) does not have good coverage for some subclades, one of them being J-Y21045 or downstream, and this particular sample doesn't have good overall coverage to begin with. But if we get a sample that's J-Z638(xZ1297), then we can infer...

Well, I tried to tell you just that ;-) https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34165-J2b2-L283-(proto-illyrian)/page35?p=636842&viewfull=1#post636842 The MBA sample (~1800 BCE) from Shkrel Albania I think is very likely a Cetina sample as well. Hopefully we can at least determine if he is...

From the newly published "The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe" we have the following J2b-L283 samples: I8471, 1880-1695 calBCE, ALB_BA, Shkrel, Albania: J2b-L283>>Z615>Z597 I17633, 700-400 BCE, Çinamak, Albania: J2b (L283?) I16254, 600-400 BCE...

Last time I checked, Dardanians are considered mainly as a branch of Illyrians anyways, especially the ones to the west where the aDNA samples come from. There is also J2b-L283s in the same exact site..

Exactly! And we have a R-CTS9219+ among others..

The Iapygians or Apulians (/aɪəˈpɪdʒiənz/; Greek: Ἰάπυγες, Ĭāpyges; Latin: Iāpyges, Iapygii, Umbrian Iabuscer) were an Indo-European speaking people, dwelling in an eponymous region of the southeastern Italian Peninsula named Iapygia (modern Apulia) between the beginning of the first millennium...

In Kukës county of North Albania, there is a strong founder effect due to Krasniqi, Nikaj, and Gashi tribes, which have a strong presence in the region, where the vast majority of it belongs to a single lineage, more specifically under J-PH1751>Z38299>Y46913 aka Y52453, TMRCA ~750 years ago...

In the "live" version (https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/J-Z600/) it can be seen they both share many SNPs with the existing J-Z600* sample defined by J-Y260401 plus 50 others, which means they are near Y relatives. So they should be of western European ancestry as well. In fact, I know one of...

Wrong thread. Delete.

As stated here, R3918, 993.5-1149 calCE, Sirmium Serbia, is under R1b-L51>L52>L151. He is not J2b-L283>>CTS6190. I'm not sure why Yleaf assigned him to J-CTS6190, but in this case the assignment was wrong as I manually checked the BAM file.

Yes, I confirm.