It seems you didn't read the genetic literature of the last years if you keep up with this nonsense about (classical) Greeks not having a coherent genetic profile: the samples from classical period show that Greeks were similar to the Mycenaean average, with 15-20% steppe. We have no samples...
Heavy is in reference to the range Mycenaeans display: it ranged between 20-0% (safe some outliers that had 30% as the armenoi sample), so to refer to those samples that are skewed towards the end point (15-20% steppe) I use the expression "heavy steppe", though compared to, say, a central...
What is interesting is the positions of the low steppe Mycenaean samples: they range precisely from Minoans to those three samples thought to be western Anatolians, and the rest are pulled towards the "heavy steppe" mycenaean center, which seems to overlap modern south Italians. This is...
The ones on Anthrogenica says the exact opposite, and indeed some of them have been credited in the paper as the ones that have come up with the idea to check whether the AJ communities in Germany and France appear closer to the Erfurt-ME than Erfurt-EU.
What I have noticed is that usually the...
The paper about Himera had the Himera 1 group modelled as 80% Greece_LBA and 20% Balkan_IA (or BA, I can't recall now), because I presume that "Greece_LBA" is the average of the various Mycenaean samples ranging from around 0% to around 20% (and in some a bit more) steppe, at around 10%; so in...
It is really doubtful that higher steppe in Greece correlates with higher rates of blondism, since it does correlate in the rest of Europe because steppe ancestry correlates with bell beaker admixture who had higher rates of blondism but oddly enough thanks to their globular amphora admixture...
Why some people are surprised that early proto-greeks were steppe heavy is something that escape me, since it is to be expected that the first IE arrivals would have had higher steppe ancestry than subsequent ones for the latter were the result of the former mixing with pre-IE speaking groups...
I've read on Anthrogenica that the data collected by that fake Italian of Principe shows that Sicilians have Levantine Y haplos at significant amounts: I hate this idea that somehow data "collected" by delusional individuals with identity issues are preferred over the dozens of studies and...
It is a dogma that southern Italians allegedly are the only exception in Europe insofar they have, according to them, very little ancestry from the previous millennia, no matter what actual science and evidence say, because they take only G25 earnestly as if it were gospel.
It's true that...
To be fair Er Monnezza has been banned so I doubt they can come here to tell you, and they would also add that it would require also a very conspicuous gene flow from northern Europe, or another very big gene flow from northern Italy.
Anyway, commenting on such models, an anthrogenica user...
Since I've read on Anthrogenica that someone while speaking evidently of Eupedia referred to a "hysterical madwoman", I do not feel the need to be particularly diplomatic when I'll comment on the particularly idiotic claims I've seen on that site.
The usual suspects giggled that "even on...
Because it is a dogma that south Italians have levantine even though the genetic literature says nothing about it and actually doesn't support it; whether future studies will find trace levels is a matter that doesn't change that up to now their only "evidence" (in an extremely autistic manner...
As far as the evidence goes the neolithic substratum in south Italy wasn't Minoan-like (though in central Italy it was already Peloponnesian_N-like), but some minoan-like
input arrived during the middle bronze age (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/584714v1.supplementary-material in...
I believe that "Oscans" and "Lucanians", at least at the beginning, were genetically similar to Latins, but they were the latest arrivals in southern Italy, since before them Greeks invaded the lands occupied by whom they called "Ausones", and they might have made up the bulk of the population...
@Er Monnezza
1) The link I posted unambiguously stated that "the medieval Roman dialect belonged to the southern family of Italian dialects", you say that "it has very southern features, but I think it is a stretch to ascribe it directly to the southern group": it is again the old problem of...
@Er Monnezza
1) the wikipedia page (which just reports what is said in the sources linked) says clearly that the language spoken around Rome belonged to the southern group, hence it was NOT part of the central group, and indeed was "much" closer to Neapolitan than to dialects of the central...
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