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Autosomally their admixture proportions are identical to Northern Italians. The two ethnic groups almost certainly originate from either a common or genetically related set of populations in the bronze age that ended up later dividing.

Late Bronze Age northern Italics and iron age populations like the Picenes will also be Yamnaya heavy, similar to the illyrians. Their proportion of neolithic Caucasian ancestry is much heavier than bell beaker descended types such as the latins/etruscans proper. It necessitates an origin from...

Like Torzio mentioned it's interesting how much closer/overlapping IA Italians cluster to modern northern Italians on this PCA. Can you try including Picenes as well if you haven't already?

Italy had the largest cities in the world during the imperial era. It took astounding feats of engineering and military dominance to secure and transport the resources necessary to sustain these massive city populations. Grain was imported from Egypt and sold at below market value and water...

I'm aware you don't and I'm certainly not insinuating that you do. I'm simply making a point in that the fantasy idea that the US govt classified Italians/Irish/Poles as nonwhite is a verifiable lie that never happened and that this lie is only repeated out of extreme ignorance or willful...

Italians, Greeks, Jews and Slavs have always been considered white in the legal and census context of American immigration, regardless of the dissenting opinions of some WASPs carrying personalized nordicist tendancies. While Northern European immigration was certainly historically favored in...

You post is extremely confused. Southern Europeans are a fair skinned people. Their skin color does not differ noticeably from Northern Europe. There has never been any point in history I'm aware of where only northern Europeans were considered white by any sort of state governing body...

I've been saying for years what the authors are getting at. Anatolian bronze age ancestry is effectively a simple two way fusion of Anatolian neolithic and Southern Caucasian neolithic from the Armenian highlands. Also, the only common genetic factor between all the oldest IE speakers is...

I'm highly doubting Vallicanus of all people has a drop of anti-Italian bias at all in his soul for goodness sake. I also highly doubt the Germans look at the closely related Celts who they certainly historically mingled with in such types of disdain. What happened between Greece and Italy is...

Because Northern Italy is geographically furthest from Magna Graecia and was also the most densely populated part of Italy in the ancient world. It's not that Magna Graecian descendents didn't make it there - it's that they were dilulted much more heavily in favor of local Northern Italic ancestry.

Well, I don't particularly measure closeness of these populations based on how often they're mentioned on TV shows. I'm referring to an ancient context of national exchanges which gave birth to a modern genetic structure. The point on Val borbera is fair but if you have more northerly G25...

I don't think anyone interprets it as disrespect. You're free to feel how you like of course, but the reality does show that Italy and Greece has had quite close relation in the ancient world (both in terms of exchanging DNA and technological/cultural facets). I don't see any other nation...

Sure, local adaptation is a reality, even if we assume two populations which start with an effectively identical population, but do you really think Italians and Greeks have such different appearances? It's not as if Italy and Greece are totally different climates with few similarities. Both...

Thanks for posting. Based off the abstract it looks like we will see continuity from the LBA to the Greek iron age despite some non locals being present. Since they specify the central mediterranean as a source of non local ancestry I presume some italics will also be found.

Today, no. In the Early Imperial Roman era, dodecanese-like individuals which plot between modern southern Italians and anatolians were exceedingly abundant in central Italy so it was much more plausible. Btw, don't be surprised if the Dodecanese like average ends up being typical for...

It's interesting how many of these cluster in the typically Punic section of the PCA. Beyond that it looks like one is plausibly southern European (italian/greek/anatolian) and another is fairly definitively Levantine. I agree with what other have said in that those who were left behind to die...

Totally agree. The current sample size is low. I see a lot of similarities between the Greeks and Italians, similar to how I view Swedes and Norwegians. They are separate nations, certainly, but very closely genetically related with a closely tied history. Ticinese are simply other Italians...

Una faccia una razza.

It would've been a similar phenomenon to the rest of C. Italy. They were effectively swamped with an Aegean genetic structure during the early empire and then later likely diluted to their current position by an influx of northern Italians in late antiquity and the middle ages. My presumption...

Is this separate from the Felsina study?