Saying that the E-V13 in Illyria is Thracian, when they were Illyrianized long ago, is like saying I1 in Germany isn't German, they're paleolithic hunter gatherers, lol. How far back do the E-V13 maxis want to go? Fug it, let's go even further back, E-V13 is ancient African-Nile-Egyptian, J2b2...