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Who suggested that there is special relations besides me pointing out that it's just a parallel branch to BY611 and likely an Illyrian remnant? Why so tense baba wanga, your Paracin Basarabi not materializing? BY611 will be found in that triangle I spoke of before, Maros/Albania to North...

His tmrca with the Czech fella is 1200BCE. What do you think, he came Slavs or perhaps he is just a local like we are seeing now that CTS1450 was more of a Balkan thing for Bronze and Iron Age. In North Macedonia you have the Ulanci guy as CTS7556 (xCTS1450) only some kilometers away from the...

Great examples of what I mean with that diversity, see these branches that are under the same cluster Y19469 like these Gomolova fellas, and the two sub-branches that have southern Albanians have diverged 3700ybp: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y209555/ https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y19752/ These...

To be honest I haven't even looked at that paper. As a whole of course I agree, I thought you were saying that CTS1450 was not Illyrian at all. We know that the Kamenica guys are BY251 at least, and they were Illyrian. Cinamak guy was BY251- and had no coverage for BY611 but he is Y23373-...

Some crazy diversity in one site, four males and all Z2103 but only two in one subcalde. The other one is BY250 too but distant to them, bronze age diversification. While the fourth is negative for the CTS1450 node (Y5593-). SK26: BY250 SK61: BY250>BY20217 SK72: BY250>BY20217 SK56: Z2106...

Dishonestly labeled Illyrian lol What are the Kamenica and Cinamak samples? But hold your horses, I looked at SK26 manually earlier and he is R1b-L51>L2+ Those guys are using software programs so all of those calls may be off - so far at least they were for SK26. Edit: BAM that I used seems...

Also, reason why some of those samples correspond sometimes with those dates is because those are our major expansion nodes, right after the Roman empire started weakening. Not because some supposed Bessi migration from Bulgaria heading west. Of course in our neighbors and regions we influenced...

Dude that’s just one sample and as I said he most likely has Alb roots, look at the two parallel Alb branches above. This is such a simple problem to solve guys when you don’t use bythen to think with. What days are we saying this supposed Bessi migration occurred, 400/500 CE? It’s simple...

They lack both V13 and L283 major Alb branches. Only some random singleton matches, four I can think of around those dates. Only Bulgarian that’s close to a major cluster is this one here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y142958/ He is probably Alb in origin too. So, your argument is irrelevant. A...

J2b and V13 are patchy when it comes to Albs. Bulgarians have just as much L283, in their project actually they have more L283 samples than Z2705

Good lord, are we still debating this? Out of over 2K samples from their two combined projects and yfull, there are not even 20 Z2705 samples.

If one disregards historical context, ancient dna, branch diversity/density, can make the argument, like you guys are doing here, that CTS10228 migrated from Albania/Greece north considering in how many branches at 2100/1800ybp we fall in 😅 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120*/

They obviously have Albanian origin, so have western Balkan roots. Albanian villages extended all the way to Constantinople dying the Ottoman era. And they are not at 1800 period but vast majority are under BY38894. Why are you having a hard time understanding that? Yfull doesn’t represent all...

You said they have no L283. Point was to show you that they do and more specifically even branches that have been found among Illyrians - proving their eastern movement. Again, for your peanut brain: PH970 has three sons based on the current data: BY38894, Y476553 & BY147912 Vast majority of...

Yes, and your point is? When you see a Bulgarian sample at that distance you have at least 5, 6 or even more Albanian parallels. What gives, only few decided to stay? They have L283 too, you just haven’t looked at their projects - probably just as much as Z2705. Few examples from yfull...

They clearly are Albanian influence, learn how to read that tree and see how much more diverse Z2705 is among Albanians. You have to be 100% clueless to throw such an idea out there. Serbs in fact were throwing the same argument for L283 too way back until we got the Illyrian samples. Fyi, few...

Under Z2705 there are no Bulgarian branches, they are singleton samples. PH970/Z2705 split from what we know so far in three major branches around 300/400 CE: BY38894, BY147912 and Y476553 All of these branches are more diverse in the western Balkans, more specifically among Albs. BY476553 is...

kek. I have to say this post got me chuckling From what I remember, Rrenet was arguing that before the southern arch paper, and for the BY611 only based on Y-STR results, none of them have been confirmed via SNP testing as BY611+. There is only that German from Poland as BY611* and what you...

Inconclusive as far as Albanian is concerned. Hyllested as far as Balto - Slavic goes: Latin comes in multi layers and the earlier layer which is predicted to have entered during the Roman empire is not shared with Romanian as far as I know. You also have the pre Hellenistic Greek loans. Plus...

You can’t disqualify Illyrians because of the DNA relationship. Grouping them with westerners is just another myth. One only needs to look at their Y linages, especially southern Illyrians (Illyrii proprie dicti) - same linages that also Mycenaeans had. How and why we share those features...