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What dates would you see L51 being born? Just to be clear. I see Z2103 being born at the land of L23 (south caucasus) but L51 as younger brother being born after the diaspora, in South Balkans ( If I am completely wrong about the northern africa route.... which is a strong possibility). From...

What are you saying? a. Would you be ok with L23 being born in South Caucasus by 5500BC (or if makes you feel better in Mugan plains or ararat plains or even Northern Iran near Urmia Lake). -- Yes or no? b. Would it be ok if L51 could very well be born in bulgaria Boian culture (4500BC) or...

Yes!!!! We have a 7000bc ehg in Romania. So I have been asking all over what happens when South Caucasus meets that EHG? would it not create a fake yamnaya? Even wrote a post about it... Asked around but got nowhere. Nobody seemed to be able or willing to answer.

Yes. And like I have been saying for years now, once L23 is found in shulaveri South Caucasus, EVERYBODY knew all along that it was the case. You included. It's the plague of the hindsight. Where are your comments about it before end 2016? Before johannes Krause Russian presentation that...

... And isn't it from Erzurum, 300km away, the only L23 man found with any known subclade?

Hi.... why is it Yamna + EEF and not EEF + Yamna? :-)

Pip. In the absence of proof, all speculation is good. Just a note: THis stance of bell beaker warriors is fine. However, to what iberia is concerned one must remember that IBeria was the place where fortified settlements arouse everywhere. Rest of western europe was mostly flowers and honey a...

It also raises a diferent issue. The lusitanians, which were the ones speaking an IE language full of arcahism were the same as the rest of the Portuguese tribes such as the several turduli tribes themselves which is the rest of the Portuguese map where there is no U152... So, celts were not...

Actually not. That map is impressive. At least to what Portugal is concerned since it's a visual representation of what strabo wrote about celts. He wrote that since Alentejo had become a desert in bronze age the celts enter portugal trough Alentejo (the red blob in South Portugal) and that they...

Humm, partly so. a. yes Vinca is reference at 5500 BC but not sure how good the carbon dating is. - Not saying is wrong. But would like to read something about the carbon dating used. b. In Shulaveri (Aratashen part in Armenia) the copper and crucibles found is always referred as fists half of...

Markod Was it ALL brachy or was brachy amongst them? because at that period Brachy was often found. As an example, I remember late Neolithic Portugal Bruchner work found that something like 15% brachy and 5% ultra brachy whatever that means... Most pop was actually meso rather than Doly...

Maybe. If someone can explain me why 4900/4800BC split for Indo-Hittite is not Probable and then Feasible. I will have to take that into consideration. Do you have a good argument? Its not like language is carbon dating, right? For example even in supplements of Wang at al, shows admix for so...

But southern people got into Steppe in copper age. Specifically in the 5th millennium BC.... Just saying. Maybe that conclusion is not there because they know more than what they are publishing.

Here is an option - During Chalcolithic (3300bc - 1900bc) the region of south Portugal was thriving with a Oak tree forests and huge settlements held by agriculture, high pastoral life and game hunting. By bronze age all had disappear (as did places like Porto Torrão and Perdigoes). by end Iron...

Hey!!! I go Crazy with anything. Actually I go Crazy if they try to link Shulaveri-Shomu to anything Kura-Araxes. People have as big problem with time as they seem to have with space. there is a Gap of 1000 years between both cultures. And they share no traits at all. I think its not at...

I know why!!! I know why!! :) ... And most important how!

THanks. I agree with you insofar as ATP3 really looks outlier. Too bad nobody is poking a little more in him. :) He really looked like an interesting guy.

Don't be cryptic. What is "your information"?

Yes, I suspect that figuring out late Chalc, copper to Bronze age is going to be tricky if it were periods were everybody was going everywhere. Unless number of samples are numerous and from regions just tens of miles away to map significance, we always run the risk of inferring too much. But...

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