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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    The problem of loanwords from indoeuropean to old chinese is very old and it is discussed in any good book about lndoeuropean linguistics. But we can find the discussion in several papers, for example in "Tocharian Loan Words in Old Chinese: Chariots, Chariot Gear, and Town Building", by...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    I want to dispute also we can speak about "pure ANE". I do not think we can assimilate Afontova Gora 2,3 with Mal'ta too easy... ANE itself was a complex phenomenon. About tocharians, linguistics seem provide the clues that an indoeuropean Kentum language gave several loanwords to bronze age...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    I'm accusing the paper is polithically biased, too. We have to focus on the data, but we have to focus also on contradictions with previous results of old papers, because such contradictions are very evident. Therefore, who can guarantee that the data are reliable? And we can not neglect...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    How can you be so sure? I see several difficulties. 1) ANE is not an exclusively Asian phenomenon; as several users said, Yamna, Andronovo and Afanasevo and also modern europeans own a significant quantity of ANE ancestry. 2) Even assuming that no "political bias" is present in the recent...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    Thank you for your advices :-) But I was not the first to speak about "Northern Europeans" look. Another user has introduced this topic, I only answered about it. Anyway, if someone brings up "northern europeans", it is well to observe that they are not homogeneous by a "physical anthropology"...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    However nobody seems able to explain to me how is it possibile to make compatible following two papers from chinese scientists: * "Evidence that a West-East admixed populationlived in the Tarim Basin as early as the earlyBronze Age" (2010) * "The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    Uhm... I know at least two photos female mummies with blonde hair. On the web. You can find them on "mummipedia": they are clearly similar to Northern Europeans of cromagnonoid type (Dalo-Falish, in early literature). Several other photos can be found on printed books (as "In Search of the...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    Again, I fully agree with you.
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    On wikipedia, about Tarmi mummies you can read: "Chinese historian Ji Xianlin says China "supported and admired" research by foreign experts into the mummies. "However, within China a small group of ethnic separatists have taken advantage of this opportunity to stir up trouble and are acting...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    I fully agree with you. I think that at the basis of this politicization there is the Uighur question.
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    NO! Number 1) hair of "princess" preserved their red color for 4000 years, and in the last one or two years thet changed color? And face features too? .... Number 2) I DO NOT want speak about Ainu or other people in this Thread concerning Tarim mummies. NUmber 3) we have two papers about...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    Mia cara Angela, sono italiano, non diciamo sciocchezze. Tu lo sei? Non sono in grado di mostrare foto, perche' non ho ancora raggiunto i 20 post. Mi sono limitato a fare un semplice battuta basata sul fatto che nelle vecchie foto i capelli della "principessa di Xiaohe" sono evidentemente...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    IMHO, in old photos this mummy (the "princess of Xiaohe") showed red hair. By the way, did she dye her hair?
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    Uh? I can't understand...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    In this paper "Evidence that a West-East admixed populationlived in the Tarim Basin as early as the earlyBronze Age" (2010), you can read : Y chromosome haplogroup profiling and distributionFifteen individuals’ AMG amplicons were obtained fromthe 20 Xiaohe individuals (whose mtDNA was...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    Morever, I have seen several images of so called "Princess of Xiaohe". Old photos (several years ago) seems not to represent the same mummy of most recent photos (some dayes ago)... Several differences seem to be present in the nose, hair color, eye orbits, chin ... Unfortunately I am newbie...
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    The genomic origins of the Bronze Age Tarim Basin mummies

    In this article "these-red-haired-chinese-mummies-come-from-all-over-eurasia-dna-reveals" on forbes (sorry I am not able to post links) I read: "Considering the presence of haplogroups H and K in the Xiaohe people and the geographical distribution of shared sequences, we conclude that the west...
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