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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    Sorry, this just demonstrates that you have no idea of how sound laws work. There's no way how PIE (even if you're assuming a form *bhaugos, hypothetically) would regularly yield *k in Slavic. In contrast, the shift *g > *k is part of Grimm's Law. I might add that here you're starting to sound -...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    It couldn't be 'at one stage' if you would understand how sound laws work. From what I have seen from you, you're basically only relying on Curta (who is an archaeologist who really has no clue on linguistics). So yes, from a linguistic perspective, Curta's ideas are just bogus, and that's...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    There's only one problem with your idea: there's no way you get *eH2 (or Late PIE *ā) regularly to *u in Proto-Slavic (the only way to get there is via Germanic mediation, because *ā became *ō in Proto-Germanic, and the latter was reflected as *ū into Slavic during borrowings). There's no way...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    This isn't necessarily the case. If the phonological evolution suggests otherwise (bear in mind: sound laws have no exceptions, and words cannot retroactively adhere to sound changes of the past). "Kot" is a word that entered at the Proto-Slavic stage. I'd like to make a similar point: the...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    I do not see how you would come to a different conclusion. The data mainly comes from the lexicon and the phonetic evolution of the Slavic languages. First, you had Balto-Slavic linguistic unity at some point (in the iron age, e.g. metallurgical terminology). You have common lexicon, common...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    You're missing my point: I picked the word "kot" because it is 1) derived from Latin and 2) entered the lexicon before the *a > *o shift. Further on, "kot" is attested in all branches of Slavic (West Slavic, East Slavic and South Slavic). The same applies for the word for 'donkey' (unless...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    I very well understand. I'm aware that in the link, they use Old Church Slavic mostly for sample cognates because it is the oldest attested Slavic language for which there is extensive literature (it thus occupies a somewhat similar position as Old Irish has for the Celtic languages, or maybe...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    Well, what you do not know, if you believe that, is that loanwords are subject to sound laws, and borrowed words cannot be retroactively subject to sound laws in the past, before the borrowing took place. If you have words that are apparently related in two languages but cannot be derived...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    I'd like to note that we have Greek (in various stages) attested from the 15th century BC, and if we disregard the Greek dark age (ca. 1200 BC to about 800 BC), this record is continuous. I'd like to note that it is not relevant what they called themselves (even if I concede that the "speaker"...
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    German Parenting Magazine warns of "Nazi Families"

    Let's make a thought experiment: replace any statement that Donald Trump has made over the past months about 'Latinos' or 'Muslims' with 'Jews', and let's see how well he fares...
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    German Parenting Magazine warns of "Nazi Families"

    The content of the fairly obscure (German-language) magazine aside which they analyze there, the authors of the video are themselves some kind of right-wing cranks who believe into a conspiracy that the official German government tries to "discriminate" whites. If you look into the video...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    So you're forbidding me to call them "Slavic" (even if, in a linguistic sense) because I am in a historic context? You are talking about the name Sclavene. I wouldn't disagree with that. But I am talking, and have been talking all the time, about speakers of Slavic languages. The earliest...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    You've getting me completely wrong here, beause I'm not making a fallacy at all. I did not imply that the Sclavenes were called Sclavenes because they spoke Slavic - that would be circular logic. I did imply that the Sclavenes were Slavic because they are the first ethnic group where Slavic...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    Here is your fallacy: I do not take a 21st century meaning and apply it to the 6th century without proof, I apply it with proof. I just think that the same rules apply all the time. If for example, I take the language families of Western and Central Europe, that question is very clear from the...
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    Just the opposite (R1a, R1b, IE)

    Old European northern Russia, which was known for its domesticated horses and wheeled vehicles?
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    Milan, before I get to why Thracian cannot be a Balto-Slavic language, I would like to address why exactly I dismiss Curta's original questions: 1) I find the reversal more interesting to ask: can people be Slavic without speaking a Slavic language? 2) Why should there be no separate...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    Sorry to say this Yetos, but you've been getting me completely wrong here. I was explicitly talking about "pre-Greek" languages (plural), or substrate influences in Greek. Milan quoted Duridanov and his proposal that "Pelasgian", just like Thracian, was a Balto-Slavic language. I made the point...
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    Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales

    I would actually agree that the term 'pre-Greek' as a whole is better (and I would also agree with your point that the labelings of "Eteocretan" and "Eteocypriot" are fairly arbitrary, but then again, note how technically the names "Hittite" and "Tocharian" are just as arbitrary), but that...
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    (offtopic locked thread)

    The original thread can be still found here, but this kind of behaviour is not tolerated there.
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    (offtopic locked thread)

    You don't insult other board members for their heritage/ancestry. Cut that out.
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