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Thanks for the information, regarding this paper yet to be publish, I think it is relevant to read again the Andrea Finocchio et Al paper from 2018 'A finely resolved phylogeny of Y chromosome Hg J illuminates the processes of Phoenician and Greek colonizations in the Mediterranean''. Some of...

Grazie lo stesso.

Thanks for the information. Do you have any information regarding Y HG J, are they only J2b, as we already know, or are there any J2a's as well?. Grazie mille

Many Thanks. I'm quite sure J2 L70 is part of the greek signature in Magna Graecia, as it is on central-southern Italy today.

Thanks, I'm sure it would be useful for J2 L70's as well!!

J2 L70 is probably Anatolian and/or greek in origin, as the Finocchio paper stated on 2018. If you check on Yfull ''live'' you can see the two basal samples at the moment are from Spain and Albania. It was probably spread to western Europe through classical greeks on the IX century BCE, although...

Very interesting Maciamo. Regarding gens Licinia, there is an interesting tradition regarding the Moreno surname origin, Julio Atienza, a well known genealogist in Spain, stated that the Moreno's descends from Lucius Licinus Murena. The fact is that, at least one spanish Moreno on FTDNA is...

Il primo Re by Matteo Rovere. It’s an amazing film, made in proto latin Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

I think my brother looks a lot like Nero ( we are circa 1/4 italians), and J2 23155 ( a PF 5456 clade) Y chromosome.

My pleasure. Musti was an italian historian specialized on Magna Graecia. This book analyses the view of ancient greek, regarding the relationship between them and italics, and their colonies in southern Italy and Sicily. It’s quite interesting because Musti, summerizes , followig the...

While we wait for the papers regarding italian Ancient DNA, where J2 is probably involved. I suggest to read an interesting analysis made by professor Musti, regarding Magna Graecia and italic people Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

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J2L-70 is clearly Anatolic/ Aegean . One of its clades, CTS3601 is highly probably part of the Greek expansion in the west ( see the paper published by Nature last May regarding this matter), and Z435, as proposed by Maciamo, among others, is probably italic, and was expanded by the Roman...

Incredibile, bellissimo...thanks a lot for the post Angela

Thanks for the update Azzurro. Do you have any knowledge if the clades of JL70 are mainly PF5456 and Z2177

Hi Anton. There are many theories regarding the origin of PF5456. There is an interesting paper, published on May 2018 by Nature, that gives some solid arguments regarding the mother clade of PF5456, CTS3601, ''A finely resolved phylogeny of Y chromosome Hg J illuminates the processes of...

I agree with you Italouruguayan. The map of South America seems also quite accurate to me, although I will add more europeans in southern Brazil.

New paper on Longobards A new paper was released today on Longobards, it has interesting information regarding the ancient Longobards in northern Italy. It's interesting to confirm that the most common HG were I2a and R1b. I can´t post the link, the paper was published by Nature today...

Maciamo and Azzurro, as you've made some analysis regarding Haplogroup J in Greece and Italy, any comments regarding this paper?

I used the walls example, although I understand the 'Cyclopean walls' in Italy are dated between the VIII and V century AC, they were attributed to pelasgians by ancient authors. I'm convinced that those references to pelasgians, such as those made by Strabo, were related mainly to mycenaeans...