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    'Albanian YDNA Project' 2020 analysis of J-PH1751 & 2018 Description of R-2705

    You are in a Genetics forum buddy.Genetics are discussed in a genetic forum.With evidence if you can. I ve used the data from two Albanian genetics forum and peer review papers, not my theories. And the evaluations/conclusions from Both projects. Data and are like letters, they form words, and...
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    'Albanian YDNA Project' 2020 analysis of J-PH1751 & 2018 Description of R-2705

    Well, according to The Rrenjet : a) Labs have twice as much J2b(not just ph1751) as other Tosk. (Note; Tosk should be taken in a geographic sense, aka a proxy for a South Albanian region with in the known linguistic divide borders.Whatever Gheg or Vlach populations settled in the area in...
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    'Albanian YDNA Project' 2020 analysis of J-PH1751 & 2018 Description of R-2705

    J2a exists practically only in South Albania.And in small traces what ever quantities managed to reach north Albania due to sociopolitical reasons in last 10 centuries; slaves, slave soldiers, converts, soldiers, refugees etc. It is a main lineage in The South and in Arbeneshe in South Italy...
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    'Albanian YDNA Project' 2020 analysis of J-PH1751 & 2018 Description of R-2705

    Translation:The J-PH1751 makes up the absolute majority of the J-Z38300. It is one of the characteristic subgroups for the Albanian ethnicity. According to high-resolution tests to date, the entire ancestor of the J-PH1751 lived about 1300 years ago. At the same time, these tests suggest a large...
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    R1b-BY611>Z2705: Origins and Expansion

    Neither Z2705 or J2b-ph1751 were present in Albania during the Romans. It's clear that they came much later. The People that came to Albanian had Both those patrimonial lineages and none of the rest found in Albania and were the forefathers of the Ghegs. Now whether they were Illirian speakers...
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    The Genetic history of Crete

    There is NO WAY a gene flow from Muslims to Christians could occur in an Islamic state. Ottoman empire was an Islamic empire. It was epitome of an Islamic state, it was the caliphate and was ruled by the Islamic law which is very clear on these issues
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Cause it came with a Gheg colonization of South Albania. South Albania has its own version of J2b , Z631. Gheg colonization occurred somewhere in the middle ages, and more likely closer to the present day than not..
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    . You are half right. We have little evidence to suggest that there was any J2a present in Ghegs. We have plenty of evidence that both South Albanian inhabitands and Arbereshe all have healthy amounts of J2a as all other nations of the Balkans. Here are 3 maps that explain things better. They...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    What's that have to do with anything? a)All the internationally recognized toponyms of Albania historically were either Slavic , or Latin, or Greek or Turkish in origins.North Epirus toponyms are mainly Greek. Does Argyrokastro, Koritsa, Aylwna, Saranta etc mean something in Albanian? Or maybe...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    Population J2a J2b J2b/J2a ratio Albania Kosovo 2 -% 16,5% Greeks Crete 30.90% 2.40% 0.09 Turks Central Anatolia 26.70% 0.80% 0.03 Greek Cypriots 23.80% 5.80% 0.2 Turks West Anatolia 19.60% 1.20% 0.06 Turks East Anatolia 19.20% 4.80% 0.25 Italians Sicily 18.40% 3.90% 0.21 Turks...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    I dont need to do anything the numbers speaks for themselves. South Albanians are mixed too. A mixture of Gheg muslims that settled on the region post 1500 AD , with local Greek and Arvanites. Ottomans settled gheg gangs all over the place.Even in Greece. If Kolokotronis, the warlord father of...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    Stop obfuscating with snooty remarks, and answer the following questions. How were the tested Arbereshe (in Calabria)Diluted in the Local population when they live in solid Arbereshe settlements created by arbereshe. The truth is in the numbers. Arbereshe report 10% E-m123 Y-DNA...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    That they left en mass is a historical fact. We are speaking about few tens of thousands of refugees. The population of Albania at the time wasn't much bigger than that. Slaughters and slavery durring and in the aftermath of the Ottoman conquest, added to the depopulation of Albania. Post...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    That refers to the partial compatibility of ARbereshe with South Albanians, which of course are now a mixed population of Ghegs Troops settled by the ottomans with the local Greek and Greekoarvanite populations. Their reported numbers are as you would expect them to be. Somewhere between Greek...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    The only thread it came up while searching for Arbereshe, was one from 10 years ago. This study is 2-3 years old and more detailed.Shows very graphically that modern Albanians weren't living in the country before 1500, and have little in common with the Albanians living in the country before...
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    Arbereshe(pre 1500 Albanians) Y-DNA Vs (post 1500)Albanian Y-DNA. Big Differences!

    Chart from a study comparing Arbereshe Y-Dna from Calabria and Sicily to that of Albanian Tosk and Gheg Y-DNA. (some categories are total of a haplogroup or clade)...
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    Genetics of the Greek Peleponessus

    That's just dots on the map some person drew 150 years later, for god knows why. Arvanites were recorded in census going back 150 years. ALL other estimations are based on the TOTAL population of the areas they lived. Which i call wishful thinking
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    Genetics of the Greek Peleponessus

    Here is a real census from the 19th century and not Albanian hot air. It is around 3% of the Early (and small) Greek state, and around 4% in Peloponnese. Their Numbers will remain the same for the 30-40 years, when the settlement of Refugees and mass Education would favorite Greek.
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    Genetics of the Greek Peleponessus

    No it's not my test. It's from an Albanian. Many Albanian gets similar results. It is a common story that the Albanians that report probable relatives from Peloponnese will also report the same about South Albania border region of Korytsa or Aylwna , where the bulk of the Greek community...
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    Genetics of the Greek Peleponessus

    That was directed to the Albanian guy, i dont know my reply was attached elsewhere, but to comment on your post. Some K13 versions and some calculators in general have neither Peloponnese or South Albania as populations. I was suggesting he compare his Eurogenes K13 results manually (or...
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