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    Any DNA studies on the Greko and Griko of Calabria and Puglia respectively?

    I assume you mean this one: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310#f3. I don't see that figure anywhere. Can you find it? Anyway, it should not matter because the fst calculations for Myceneans, show the smallest distance with modern samples from Greece, Cyprus, Albania and Italy (0.009)...
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    Any DNA studies on the Greko and Griko of Calabria and Puglia respectively?

    I brought it up because OP was looking specifically for island vs. continental Greeks in comparison to South Italians, and that is what the studies concluded. I also thought this distinction was a commonly accepted consensus by now. The admixture of continental Greeks is an interesting topic...
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    Any DNA studies on the Greko and Griko of Calabria and Puglia respectively?

    I only brought up what the papers concluded in reference to the question of the OP. I don't see how Myceneans are relevant here.
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    Any DNA studies on the Greko and Griko of Calabria and Puglia respectively?

    The best ones are: 1- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4#Sec16 2- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4757772/ However, mainland Greece differs significantly from Greek islands. The articles suggest that the various waves of migration and settlement have had a huge...
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    R1b-BY611>Z2705: Origins and Expansion

    Yeah it is never 100% certain without SNPs. That is why we need to be conservative with classifications. I would have just classified him as R-Z2705 even though I believed he would end up as R-Z2705*. Anyway, it's great that it's clear now.
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    Malisor and N Albanian clans and their origin

    Out of the Albanian clans that made it to the middle of the 20th century, the great majority formed during the first 2 centuries of the Ottoman rule. The Ottoman authorities even played a role in the establishment of these clans as political entities. However, Albanian clans existed before the...
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    R1b-BY611>Z2705: Origins and Expansion

    If I had to pick something, I would also select BY611*, but you never know. I am trying :smile:. It seems no one knows anyone related to either the Italian or the Croatian though.
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    New ancient species of human found in the Phillipines

    It is also possible that the species diverged in Africa long ago, retained some archaic features, then later spread to Asia.
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    Malisor and N Albanian clans and their origin

    That's exactly why it is useful, to understand history. I would recommend both Y-DNA and autosomal though. Keep in mind that Y-DNA is much more helpful in understanding distant ancestry, over 300 years ago.
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    Malisor and N Albanian clans and their origin

    Yes, most are Muslim, but there are a few places with Catholics still, mainly around Ulez, clan Bushkash. It would be very interesting to have a result from there in the Albanian project, as there are none right now. This region might have some unique lines since its history is different from...
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    Malisor and N Albanian clans and their origin

    Are you from the northern Catholic part of Mati?
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    R1b-BY611>Z2705: Origins and Expansion

    I took a closer look at the Italian haplotype today and possible classifications under BY250. If he happens to be BY250+, the most likely classification seems Y32821. Comparing only BY611 to Y32821, he has modal Y32821 values at DYS607 & DYS446, but modal BY611 at DYS437 & DYS456, in addition to...
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    Malisor and N Albanian clans and their origin

    Lahuta e Malcis is an epic literary work by Gjergj Fishta, about true events during the early XX century. You probably meant to refer to Eposi i Kreshnikeve.
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I gave ample evidence that I-Y3120 expanded out of Eastern Europe. I was not saying that every single line was spread by Slavs, but the overwhelming majority probably was, and the great expansion experienced by this branch was first and foremost due to the Slavic expansion and migration. Not...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Summary of current data Since the idea that I2a-CTS10228>Y3120 might not be Slavic keeps coming back, I am posting a summary of what the current data tells about it's origins and arrival to the Balkans. Ancient DNA: 1- The earliest I2a-CTS10228 found so far is a Polish 9th cent I-S17250. It's...
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    Malisor and N Albanian clans and their origin

    Current frequency doesn't mean much, but really I2a-Din is more diverse in Poland, Ukraine and Belarus. It's always better to have more data, but the data we currently have is pretty clear. This view keeps coming back again and again so I'm making a summary of what we already have in the proper...
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    Malisor and N Albanian clans and their origin

    If Goths pushed it South, how do you explain that there was no I2a-Din found in 6th cent in a Longobard cemetery in Hungary, just before the arrival of the Slavs? So far, there is one French sample under I2a-M423>CTS10228, split almost 4000 years ago from the rest, when Slavs did not exist...
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    E-V13 subclades in Greece

    I would like to see some R-U152 clusters that are found only in the countries of Yugoslavia, and have no connection to Italians for 2000-3000 years. The eastern Adriatic coast had plenty of exchanges with the western one from the Romans onward, so without SNP-tested R-U152 clades exclusive to NW...
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    R1b-BY611>Z2705: Origins and Expansion

    DYS446 does have some rare 14 values among Z2705+ samples. Check out the Greek project, for example. But I agree that it is a hint that these might have split earlier. For the rest of what you said, I agree, although STRs are never certain indicators for SNP positions in these clades, especially...
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    R1b-BY611>Z2705: Origins and Expansion

    I believe so. But with 4800 years old connections, I wouldn't be surprised if TMRCA lived in the Steppe. Which future samples are you referring to? The Catania one yes, but I had not noticed the Siena one, thank you! Hard to tell from STRs, as usual, but he doesn't seem to have any...
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