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Some updates on R-Z2705: 1- There are now 4 parallel Z2705* lines on YFull. It is likely that one of these (393=12) is negative for an additional SNP which YFull does not use. 2- It seems there are a few new 393=12 haplotypes now. The ones with 392=11 are still widespread all over the Balkans...

Hoti found Albanian-speakers there, when they moved to where they are. Their own legends confirm this. Some Montenegro clans may be from Herzegovina but probably not the majority, at least not from the clan-forming period 400-700 years ago. Many of these clans seem to relate to others in...

Everyone, let's be careful with these classifications. I2a-CTS10228>Y3120 haplotypes are almost impossible to classify into any clade other than PH908. Almost no Albanians have been reliably classified into Z17855. Romanians also remain relatively untested. So much so, that there is only one...

In addition to all that was said above, two early examples of I2a1-L621 come from 10th century Poland and 12-13th century Russia, both Slavic cultures.

The Y chromosome is like a surname with maximal utility for genealogical purposes. Whether you have the same surname or not, if you have the same Y-DNA result as someone else, you have discovered a paternal cousin. Of course, if you only do Y-12, it is impossible to determine whether this...

Keep in mind that these are just simulated models. The numbers are not necessarily reliable. They are using 95% CI intervals, just like all the social sciences, which produce conflicting claims with equally deserving methodology. Their CI for admixture time goes from 0 to 125.000 ybp! The CI for...

You are assuming haplogroup A carriers are less able to compete, with no reason whatsoever.

Alright I'm not wasting any more time with you.

Which one specifically? I named three subclades of I-Y4460 that are on YFull. I-Y70430 is in Belarus I-SK1241 has one branch (I-Y85945) in Russia and one (I-Y31845) in Russia and Hungary I-Y3106 has many branches all over Eastern Europe, but mainly Ukraine and Poland So which one of these has...

Which parental clades are you talking about? I said the oldest subclades of Y4460 on YFull are from Poland, Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, not from the Balkans.

First of all, just looking at Y4460 on YFull, it has 3 main branches: one in Belarus, one mainly in Russia, and one spread all around Central and Easter Europe, but mostly Ukraine-Poland-Belarus (no Balkans). These are not young, they're all 2200 years old according to YFull, which is the age of...

I agree with this suggestion. Please also delete my responses to him. We can to continue to debate how to count in private messages, without ruining a nice thread. Thank you.

Your previous claim was not true as most of those did not have Y-DNA. None of the Balkan sites have more than 20 Y-DNA samples. These new ones you brought, yes, they have do Y-DNA, although 13 of those are outside the Balkans. And, again, you did not count them right because there are 7 Js...

As I said, not all of them have Y-DNA! I thought you were unknowingly wrong, but now I see you were just lying. You started by saying that there is almost no J in ancient Balkans, then said they're only 2-3 out of 60, and that it probably expanded in the last 500-1000 years. Now you see there...

Which site in the Balkans has more than 20 Y-DNA ancient samples?

Thank you. I don't know a lot about etymology, but I see you are saying that PIE "g" became "dh". For this to mean that the "Bardh" of today was "Barg" at 400 BC, two scenarios have to be excluded. First, assuming your "g">"dh" argument is true, it might be that the Dardanians had already been...

No, not 2-3 out 60, but 7 out of around 20 in that map. Most samples there don't have Y-DNA, and close to 1/3 of those who have are J, so using your own criteria it was more widespread then than now. Anyway, this discussion is pointless since J is old enough to be found from Central Africa to...

There are two in Croatia as well, both west and east. Again, do so more research, and look at different papers, FTDNA projects and the YFull tree. You are very, very far from the truth.

This is your opinion and it is completely wrong. Even in the map you posted, 7 out of around 20 ancient samples form the Balkans are J.

Almost everything you said here is wrong. First, Albanian J2 is mostly J2b, while Greek J2 is mostly J2a. These two split almost 30.000 years ago. Second, J is very ancient and has expanded in the Balkans since at least the Bronze Age, maybe earlier. I'll leave it at this for now, but you need...