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I have seen PCA maps where Logkas individuals along with Thracians are intermediate between Adriatic and Mycenaeans. It’s all about how one presents it. That said, I fail to understand your point. What would the end result be of a mix between a MBA Logkas individual and a Minoan? A LBA...

If the original inhabitants from the Peloponnese were Minoan like, they were from Anatolia indeed. That accounts for Pelops being from Anatolia. But then Logkas like individuals intermingled with them. One out of three Logkas like individuals is enough to create Mycenaean genetic proportions...

You do realise that after the 7th century B.C. Asia Minor was was an inherent part of the Greek world. The biggest Greek cities aside from say Athens and perhaps another one or two were in Asia Minor. Lots of discoveries were made there. Lots of philosophers were from there. The Greeks were a...

Unfortunatelly they haven’t been officially published yet. Hence my point that it’s just an assumption so far. I wrote the researcher. But no reply yet. I don’t fully agree with you regarding higher steppe individuals in Northern Greece can be the sole source of higher levels of Steppe ancestry...

It is highly likely that we will find Western Anatolian like profiles before the Hellenistic era in mainland Greece. After the Trojan War Greece was connected to Anatolia. Athens created an empire focused on Anatolia. By the Classical era there must have been plenty such profiles in cities of...

Can the Mycenaean BA Greeks be modelled the same way? With a 30 % significant Steppe admixed group?

How much Steppe admixture did this specimen from Kastrouli have?

Notice that the recent ones, post 660 A.D., are close to North Slavs. Lots of genetic variation for the older specimens. Mostly close to Cypriots, Dodecanese and Italians. Some Germanics in there as well. Probably some Ancient German tribe who settled there. As we very well know.

It’s not just the Marathon sample. Also the ancient inhabitants of Thessaloniki seem to have more Anatolian input. Hellenistic Greeks seem to be more Western Anatolian than Mycenaeans. They also may have more Steppe ancestry. Yet, these results have not been published yet and are just...

How do you know it persisted 1500 years? In all those regions? Including Greece? And also, I don’t see similar admixture proportions at all. Quite the contrary. I see a tremendous amount of genetic variety from North to the South of the Balkans. My guess is that the coastal areas of Northern...

What is your point? That MBA Logas samples are the pure Greeks? So the Mycenaeans are not? The first Greeks may have reached admixture levels of that of Logas at some point during the early phase of their ethnogenesis. Probably changed soon after.

There are too many factors, other than the Slavs, to consider when comparing Bronze Age Greeks to modern Greeks. We still do not know the exact levels of Steppe admixture post BA population movements have brought. The genetic make up of Dorians. The impact of Thracians in Greece. The level of...

The problem I have with this ‘pure Greeks’ notion is that it two dimensional. The first Greeks as we know them had undergone an evolution of ethnogenesis. Their language perhaps borrowed as much as 40 % from the indigenous people, many customs, deieties, traditions as well as a substantial...

Thessaly used to have vast lakes even until recently. No doubt such a fertile territory must have attracted populations. These populations may have flurished there in the Early Bronze Age. And no doubt that indigenous people inhabited the area when the indo-European speakers arrived. It is...

I wonder if the Dorians most of all brought more Ancient Anatolian ancenstral elements into Greece. Or that North Greece had more Anatolian influx to begin with. After all, one can simply travel to Anatolia by foot. The Dardanelles and the Bosporus are no serious physical boundaries. Cypriots...

Looked at that Biomuse chart as well. Mostly similar results as the one I outlined. Just that the specimens are not just from Thessalonica, but also other parts of Macedonia and Epirus. The core is Mycenaean, but with some more genetic variety than the Bronze Age Mycenaeans. A few have a little...

I can transcribe the following parts of the text: PCA: Thessaloniki already from the foundations has high genetic variety. During the Roman period a shift towards Central-Northern Europe is observed, whereby after the fall of Rome and the emergence of the Byzantine Empire, new clusters appear...

It's the same autosomal map we see in most researches. It's becoming recognizable. If you download it you can also read the text (most of it). Once again, it's clear that there is an Aegean (Mycenaen-like) population at its core. And that there are specimens which in the Roman era pull towards...

I would argue that there is also the other side of the coin. Some argue that Greeks are only truly Greek if they genetically overlap with Mycenaens. While the habitat of the Greek people has expanded since the Bronze Age. Somehow though, ancient people from areas like Epirus and Thessaly are not...

Should we discard that an ancient person from Thessaly is similar to a modern person from that same region? Just because the specimens pre-date Mycenaeans? Or should we head towards the direction that Ancient Greeks were made of Mycenaeans, Logkas type people and later on Western Anatolians...