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No one ever denied that really. The only question is whether the Classical Greeks were something in between Mycenaeans and Modern Greeks, or whether they were overlapping with Mycenaeans.

Interesting. Sorry if I missed it, but where is this sample from?

Not true really. The Via Egnatia brought many people in the region of Albania. During the Byzantine era the harbor cities in Albania were inhabited by Greeks (and Romans), while there were virtually no cities in the rest of Albania. Very scarcely populated. So small migrations can have an...

All this reminds me of the map of Cavalli Sforza which was made in the late 80s. He noticed a cline of genes around Greece. Now we know that IA Balkanians were similar to them. It seems that the people around Greece were genetically similar to Greeks. And you can still see the biological...

But the Illyrians were more Northern shifted than believed it seems Judging from previous samples. Is it possible that there simply was a lot of genetic variety in the Balkans, post IA?

I understand, but I am just using their methodology. Migrations are complicated. These Northern Greeks could have been outliers, but then again so could the IA people in the Danube. Some things don't add up to me. Supposedly Albanians are half Slavic. Then why do they plot away from Slavs...

Interesting, still 1 out of 5 in South Greece. And what if we compare mainland Greeks to Log01 and Log02. How much Slavic admixture do they have. Macedonians, Thessalians and Peloponessians. How much Slavic admixture do Log01 and Log02 have compared to Mycenaeans?

How Slavic are mainland Greeks if IA Balkan equals Ancient Greek? How Slavic are Anatolian Greeks if Greek Empuries equals Ancient Greek from Asia Minor?

We should also not loose sight of reality and not overrate medieval admixtures in their own right. There is plenty of time for things to have happened prior to the Middle Ages. Especially during the Bronze Age and the Iron Age/Classical Age/Hellenistic and Early Roman Age. As is seen in the...

Can you remind me what you have said in the past?

Every piece of the puzzle helps and is always welcome. But we should be cautious with our conclusions. I for one notice that mainland Greeks are between Iron Age Balkanians and Aegean Bronze Age Greeks. At face value, not considering the chronological factor, Iron Age Balkanians, compared to...

Bear in mind that Cyprus had different migrations than Greece, even in Ancient times. So "old" Greek may in theory be very old Greek. Meaning, Achaean BA Greek or something of the sort. Then there could be "old"Greek E-V13 which came during the Iron Age and is not so prevalent in Cyprus...

Evidence is actually pretty scarce. No individual having a haplogroup of either E-V13 or J2b has ever been found in suspected Ancient Greek individuals. The only evidence is the extent of E-V13 and J2b in modern Greece and former Greek populated areas (from Marseille and South Italy to Asia...

As far as I know. No E-V13 or J2b was detected in ancient Greek populations. Yet, researches keep insisting that the ancient Greeks were one of the people who spread these haplogroups. Could be, since it is in every historically Greek populated area. But in order for this to occur, at leas one...

Obviously not. They are probably the outliers of the Greek genetic mainframe. Most classical Greeks will be anywhere between those two groups.

After seeing that in the EBA there was much more steppe ancestry in places like the Thesally/Macedonia border area than the South of Greece, and taking into consideration the rumors that there were also Cypriot like classical Greeks, we shouldn't take anything for granted.

The outliers would probably be close to the MBA North Greek samples all the way to samples which are close to Cyprus. Do we have Autosomal DNA of the unpublished Greek sample? Or just the haplogroup? When will the research be published?

Highest rates of E-V13 in Greece is Thessaly. Reaches up to 40% in that region. It has far higher rates that the South Slav countries. So we have to look deeper for its origins. Thessaly was the home of the Pelasgians. So either the people invading from the Steppe from the North mixed with...

Quotes are always open to interpretation. People then were writing contradictions as we do today on these forums. There were Slavs for sure. But no more than 8% overall. And if I am not mistaken. Nicephorus deported many Slavs to Anatolia, sothat they could be absorbed by the masses there. In...

Something in between modern and Classical Greeks. Not too far off from the Mycenaeans.