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  1. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    I found this post from @JajarBingan very useful because he used the sample of medieval Slav from Bohemia for the comparison to the Balkan native composition (Thracian + Greek). Bohemia is of course Czechia. It is exactly what we need: Admixture analysis for comparison...
  2. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Actually you are inventing new ethnicity which never existed in reality. No different language nor culture existed north of Gvozd mountain comparing to the south of Gvozd. The culture and ethnicity changes only north of Drava river where Hungarians begin. Tribe is not an ethnicity! Ethnicity...
  3. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    I’ll try :) 1. … how much time Croats and their ancestors would have lived in Czechia since they came from their probably more eastern homeland, and if it was for a time long enough to allow some degree of admixture with Germanic and Celto-Germanic people to their west; IMO when the...
  4. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Of course that "Slovinci" does not mean Hrvati. Slovinci literary means "people from the province of Slovin". (That's grammar). That is not the ethnicity. The ethnicity is observable from their language. What language did they speak? Hungarian?... I don't think so.
  5. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

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  6. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    There is no pre-Pacta Conventa "Slavonia". It was called Lower Panonnia or "area between Drava and Sava". The term Slavonia was inroduced by Hungarians (Tothorszag). Yugoslavian historians believed that there was something special about Slavonia. That's just a myth which fits with Yugoslavian...
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    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    O, yes, this is correct:Ban of Slavonia (Croatian: Slavonski ban; Hungarian: szlavón bán; Latin: Sclavoniæ banus) or the Ban of "Whole Slavonia" (Croatian: ban cijele Slavonije; Hungarian: egész szlavón bán; Latin: totius Sclavoniæ banus) was the title of the governor of a territory part of the...
  8. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Einhard is not sure, therefore put "dictur" ("some say..."). The source is probably Byzantine. However It could be Croatian too. Hopefully, Presbyter of Dioclea located the region called Surbia more precisely in the most eastern part of the former Province of Dalmatia, north of Croatia Rubea...
  9. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Again, you mixed up political names with ethnicities. There was no such a thing as "croatization" of Slavonia but two parliaments, Croatian and Slavonian, merged into one. In the beginning, Slavonia was just a synonym for Croatia minus Dalmatia (coastal cities were Romans lived). The name...
  10. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Ok, let's clarify that. The issue with the Croatian ethnonym is that it has two different meanings. One is ethnic and another is political. Contemporary sources were mostly using the political term. Rarely was anyone interested in someone’s ethnicty at that time. People of Dubrovnik were not...
  11. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Maybe, but the focus is right now on the western branch. I presented data for Croats and Slovenians and tried to figure out where their “light green component” comes from. It is because someone decided to call them like that. There was no universal “guide to name the ethnicities” at that...
  12. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    We know that the said area was a demographic basin of Dubrovnik Republic. That’s the main reason why Dubrovnik became Slavic over time. The fact, that Slavic speakers of Dubrovnik were historically identified as Croats, indicates that they had to be Croats prior they became citizens of Dubrovnik...
  13. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    The "first wave" exsted but obviously remained only in Carpathian Basin where they arrived mostly with Avars and became partially Avarised. After they had fought one another for some years, the Croats prevailed and killed some of the Avars and the remainder they compelled to be subject to them...
  14. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Yes, the language was a factor in later separation of the Romanian Church. However, the idea of a language as an ethnic separator came from the West.
  15. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    That's true. Some contemporary Croatian intelectuals warned about Karadžić's copy-paste activities. Not only that he presented Croatian Shtokavian poetry as Serbian but also presented himself as an author of some. More on that in this paper (needs translation): http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/68919
  16. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Yes. Then the origin of the light blue component could be the Central European substrate, as the Balkan countries have little of it. https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/416192/fgene-09-00551-HTML/image_m/fgene-09-00551-g003.jpg It's a shame that the analysis above doesn’t have Polish...
  17. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    IMO, more we understand about history and linguistics, more we'll be able to properly interpret genetic data. However, let's get back to genetics again: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/416192/fgene-09-00551-HTML/image_m/fgene-09-00551-g003.jpg Croats, Slovenians, Hungarians and...
  18. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Exactly, and the autosomal genetics shows that.
  19. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Who were the "other Slavs"? The History of the Bishops of Salona and Split gives an account of the arrival of the Croats. Thomas the Archdeacon thought that the names such as Croats, Goths and Slavs were synonyms: From the Polish territories called Lingonia seven or eight tribal clans...
  20. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    I was't wrong but I'm afraid that you didn't understand the point. As you can see, "mice" were resisting the constant Ottoman attacks for more then hundred years on their own, before the Habsburgs joined in. Finally. Toma Bakač Erdődy and Blaž Đurak (commanders of "mice"!) and their soldiers...
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