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  1. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Yes, we might get to that conclusion. However, this is only one sample from Bronze Age. A thin steppe ancestry could have faded away during the Iron Age. Roman period was especially turbulent as Romans were replacing peoples all around the Empire.
  2. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    I fully agree with that. That was actually my point. Ethnic labels used by Church authorities are not reliable in determining the real ethnicities on Balkans. Yes, but later, after Patriarchate of Peć was reestablished (former Serbian Church seat), a new/old general label reappeared –...
  3. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    I do. Croats have been doing it during the last 1000+ years. Every of three dialects was, at least ones, called "Croatian" in the local sources, or the speakers called themselves Croats, before 19th century. Why do you think that diversity doesn't tell us anything? Genetics is genetics. Same...
  4. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Technically, every nobleman is a kind of vassal except the ruler himself, and he wasn't even Hungarian.That further means that Croats were not subdued to Hungarians. It is clear that Croats have sovereignty to elect the ruler they wanted. Little Croatia, exhausted after 100+ years long...
  5. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

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  6. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    I created a simplified genetic tree of "Serbo-Croatian" language: → Kajkavian (Croats) → Chakavian (Croats) → Shtokavian: → Ikavian (Croats) → (I)jekavian (Croats, Serbs) →...
  7. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

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  8. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Have I said that they dont? Same is with Croatian dialects. Yes, it's getting tiring. The discussion started because you said that Croatian Standard language "does not exist". I showed you that even Canadians have their Standard, even thought English is considered one language. And then you...
  9. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Obviously not, because Standard English is actually British English: Canadians speak Canadian English: They have their own Standard Canadian English too: (You told me "good luck" with my Croatian Standard. Will you say same to Canadians?) The languages of the tribes called Angles and...
  10. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Do Canadians use standard English?
  11. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    You should know at least basics. There was no “Hungarian Empire”. Croatian noblemen were vassals to Hungarian king as well as Hungarian noblemen were vassals to the same king. Hapsburgs were elected by Croatian Parlament in 16th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_in_Cetin...
  12. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Please, be civil. You jumped into the conversation that I had with @marko. I tried to answer your question the best I could. I still don't understand what you want. Also, I kindly ask you not to ridicule the conversation unless you want to stop getting answers from me. We both know very well...
  13. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Sorry, my mistake, it should have been written "vernacular dictionary" instead of just "vernacular". However, there is no Serbo-Croatian language in the 14th century. Slavs of Dubrovnik were not Serbs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Croatian_Prayer_Book
  14. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    No, it isn't. Karadžić called his dictionary "Serbian" not "Srbo-Croatian" even though he knew whose older dictionaries and grammars he was using to compile his own. That was my point. That is not true! Illyrian name for Croatian language arose in Venice Dalmatia hundreds of years before the...
  15. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    That's your best post ever! :good_job:
  16. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    The Slavic tribe would have spoken the same language as all Slavs at that time. Some isoglosses somewhere survived, some not. Church influence, different substrate, geography... IMO all that helped the separation of the languages. In short, because Hapsburgs wanted that to happen. They had...
  17. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Well I havent noticed that. I see Albanians as a pretty much compact population. Well, it cannot be that wikipedia lies in every article that was linked. Some errors can always be found but IMO not that much as you said. You should present your links to articles that support your claims...
  18. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Well, this is an example of propaganda against Albanians. Not at all. I said that Serbs in Croatia are autosomaly close to Croats. Can you call it "ignoring connections"? When you say that "Serbs came from Vojvodina to Dalmatia and changed the name, that is a nonsense. There has never been...
  19. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    Do you think that your are helping anyone by throwing loads of nonsense?
  20. Wonomyro

    Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

    That's obviously his only purpose here.
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