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I regard the proto-Hellenes to be the people who brought the IE language into Greece. Although historians usually regarded this to be the Mycenaeans. I think we have to go further back, since the Mycenaeans may have been largely indigenous. All I know is that Minoans in Greece did not have any...

Why do you count out one single proto-Greek migration of people who have steppe as well as Caucasus admixture, through Anatolia? Why two waves of migrations? Historiography speaks of only one migration of proto-Hellenes into Greece during the Early Bronze Age, and the one more (Dorian) during...

This could be true for the South Illyrians. But in order to hypothesize that Illyrians in Dalmatia later mixed with Pelasgians, we would first have to prove that Pelasgians were inhabiting that area. It is more likely that Pelasgian peoples were inhabiting the SouthBalkans. Most of them were...

Interesting, this gives some evidence that post-Bronze Age Greeks were more paleo-Balkan admixed.

It could also be that Sea peoples had Anatolian influence. And/or since Greeks settled vastly on both side of the Aegean there was circulation between of people in the Greek world (Western Anatolia and Greece) since the Iron Age into the Classical Age and Roman/Byzantine Age. Albanians seem to...

If you mix the Bronze Age Dalmatian with a Mycenaean, then you have something closer to Albanians and Greeks. The only difference is that Albanians and Greeks will have some Slavic admixture. Removing the Slavic admixture from Albanians does not pull them closer to the Bronze Age Dalmatian...

Your assumptions based on your calculations seem self explanatory. If Ancient Illyrians/Dalmatians are like modern North Italians, then we have an image of what was inhabiting the Northern/Central part of the Balkans during Ancient times. It seems to me quite understanding that the Bronze Age...

We should realize that we have in total 6 samples from pre-classical Balkans. And we are too eager to discard two samples which are close to the modern populations. In particular mainland Greeks. Two out of six samples can not be discarded. If people further North were close to the Thracians...

Okey Demetrios. Thank you. So in three years time we will know if some Dorians had some fun with Mycenaean women. And if that Armenoi sample mentioned above was a modern mainland Greek which came too early.

Very few Greeks from Asıa Mınor settled ın Thessaly or Epirus. Most were settled in Northern Greece (Macedonia and Thrace) and Athens. Vlachs were overwhelmed already in Medieval times. It's just a minority in a region which has been absorbed by the locals. Genetically I think they were mixed...

Thessalians have the highest rates of E-V13 of all Greeks. Vlachs in particular have less E-V13, than the average Greek. Similarly Vlachs have a high rates of R1b while Thessalians have the least of all Greeks. There is no clear link there. I think the Vlachs have been genetically overwhelmed by...

Yep, it is unlikely that the Steppe admixture influx has stopped during the Bronze Age. I guess that the Classical Greeks had more Steppe than Mycenaeans, but less than the modern Greeks. But the Mycenaeans surprised us, so maybe perhaps also the Classical Greeks in some way.

Was someone going to recover genetic material of Alexander's family? Sounds interesting, but stupid. My two cents on this, extracting ancient genetic material is fine. But ascribing it to a certain individual? You can never positively identify a person. I would not put any names on it. Now that...

If I remember correctly, people who were aware of the Mycenaean study were expecting it for years. It was presented a year or two later than was expected. Let's see if we can get a scoop. Thumbs up.

Great. It would be amazing to have some updates regarding this issue. It is quite a waste that we do have in fact genetic material of Classical mainland Greeks while it is not published yet.

Would be interesting to see where this sample plots on an autosomal scale.

Also, Northern Greeks (Thessaly, Macedonia and Thrace) as well as the Empuries sample almost have no markers reminiscent to the Iran sample of Ganj Dareh. While the remaining Greeks resemble Mycenaeans and Minoans in that respect.

I agree completely. The pre-Greeks dominated in the Southern Balkans and the proto-Greek speakers mixed with them very early on. But given the fact that they formed in Thessaly/Epirus it would seem likely that they carried more Steppe admixture at one point, being that they may have been one of...

It seems possible that Ionian Greeks may have been more EEF than mainland Greeks in the first place. I am not saying this purely on speculation. In the Mycenaean study there is evidence that Western Bronze Age Anatolians were shifted somewhat towards the Near East compared to Mycenaeans. Even...

Wasn't Empuries settled by Greeks from Asia Minor (Ionia)? Anyway, very hard to speculate on the origin of the specimen in the first place. Just a few samples of Hellenistic or Classical Greeks will do. Preferably from mainland Greece. Also some specimens from North/central Greece will also...