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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Didn't we have a 45 page thread in 2017 discussing the Stomatoyiannopoulos study of Peloponnese genetics ? https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33711-Genetics-of-the-Greek-Peleponessus
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Look in the Figure 3 of this article: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474#pone-0179474-g003 As you can see E-M78 and its subclade EV13 is found throughout Greece and Cyprus. Did the Dacians (or commonly known as Vlachs) find their way to Cyprus and Western...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Before the exchange of populations in the 1900, what is now Greek Thrace had a majority Turkish speaking/Muslim religion. Eastern Thrace was the reverse. After the exchange of populations Eastern Thrace and Pontic populations moved to Western Thrace and Eastern Macedonia...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Yeah this is really what amazes me about people doing pontificating without samples from different time periods and different locales. I also want samples not just from the elite with their fancy burials just to make sure that we have representative samples of the general population and not just...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    All of the Balkans were underpopulated.
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I am a PF7558.
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Look you have an argument with geneticists, you speculate that EV13 came from Dacians when EV13s provenance is very cloudy and then you bring in medieval authors like Anna Komnini as if she is on the same level as modern historians.
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Italians are relatively pure compared to the Greeks with the exception of Southern Italy and Sicily. Me, I know I am a mongrel Eastern Thracian. My matches are mostly other Greeks but with a few Balkanites as distant relatives.
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    if you are bringing Anna Komnini as your source...she is secondary source at best. Give me some imperial edict or census, then we can talk. Herodotus also said thither were 1 million Persians at Thermopylae. Can you imagine the logistical nightmare that feeding 1 million Persians would present...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    As I said, the FTDNA crowd is self selected as in they are there of their own volition. They re not randomly selected. They overrepresent the Greek diaspora (Greek Americans mainly). Greeks from Greece are underrepresented on all the testing sites because they don't give a flying **** about...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    We have no samples from the Pelasgians so we actually have no idea what their genetic makeup is. For all we know there was a lot of local Hunter Gatherers that mixed with Anatolian Farmers. We just don't know. You insist that EV13 in Peloponeese is due to the Bogdanian/Vlachs. Vlachs, like...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Be careful about medieval authors as much as I am careful about Herodotus. They cannot be trusted fully. Need primary sources like census or imperial edicts.
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    FTDNA is a self selected group, not a randomized group according to statistical rules that turn it into a representative population sample. EV13 could have very well come from the non Mycenaean/non Achaian Greek tribes or from the local population that was there before the Greeks came, let's...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Here are the percentages of different Y-DNA Haplogroups by country: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml Region/Haplogroup I1 I2*/I2a I2b R1a R1b G J2 J*/J1 E1b1b T Q N Sample size ▾ Greece 3.5 9.5 1.5 11.5 15.5 6.5 23 3 21 4.5 0 0 North Greece 5.5 16...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I grew up in an Arvanitan village that was 90% Arvanites and 10% Greek speakers. In 1937 my uncle was the first that crossed the line and married my Arvanitan aunt to the disapproval of both communities. There were plenty of old people that spoke only Arvanitika up into the 1960. In the late...
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    The Arvanites villages are well known. Arvanites and Greek speakers did not start mixing until well after the 1940s. The Arvanites maintained their language and customs against assimilation for centuries.
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    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    History & archaeology should be used as a guide to what inputs to use. We have to be careful though in using urban sample from Classical Athens, Imperial Rome, Thessaloniki, Constantinople to model the hinterland. I believe that we should use sample from the smaller cities and villages to model...
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    "Ancient DNA reveals the origins of the Albanians" paper

    So is pf7558 a sister clade of pf7562?
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    Preview: Upcoming Ancient Greek Transect (Mesolithic to Medieval) from Biomuse.

    Is it my failing color recognition that I see very small amounts of Bolshoy? I would have expected more from Greek Macedonia and Thrace and Turkish Macedonia and Thrace and Bulgarian Thrace, although for some reason there is more Bolshoy in the Turkish entrees in that graphic. Is that the Turkic...
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    "Ancient DNA reveals the origins of the Albanians" paper

    No new samples are include with this paper. Also it has not gone through peer review yet. So hold on to your horses.
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