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Swedes/Nords seem to have the highest surviving WHG component. Target: German Distance: 3.8176% / 0.03817627 46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 40.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N 13.4 WHG Target: Greek_Messenia Distance: 3.0293% / 0.03029313 62.0 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N 38.0...

My maternal grandmother came from Paliohori, Arcadia! I've never seen this sample before where did you find this?

Target: Anthony_C_scaled Distance: 2.0711% / 0.02071058 73.2 Ancient-Macedonian 13.0 Thracian 8.4 Caucasian 4.6 Balto-Slavic 0.8 Pakistan_Butkara Target: Anthony_C_scaled Distance: 2.0711% / 0.02071058 73.2 Ancient-Macedonian 13.0 Thracian 8.4...

I ran my coordinates with all of the Greek, Ancient Macedonian, Ancient Albanian samples and found that I tend to cluster closer to those archaic/Bronze Age populations well North of my ancestral homeland (Peloponnese). Distance to: Anthony_C_scaled 0.02880945 GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02...

Modern Greeks definitely don’t cluster with Myceneans. We’ve always thought of Myceneans as an ancient Mediterranean population with fairly high Barcin, extra CHG through latter Anatolian migrations and minor Steppe. But what about the MBA Helladic folks who probably are more representative of...

When you say "shifted mainland Greeks to present location" what actual ancestral components are you considering because I'm assuming your using EEF, Steppe, HG, Caucasus, Levantine as your baseline in comparing ancients to moderns. When you look at those Logkas 2 and 4 samples you see...

I can’t make heads or tails of these PCA’s. These just tend to confuse me more.

Target: Greek_Deep_Mani Distance: 1.5423% / 0.01542331 | ADC: 0.5x RC 51.4 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA:TUR_Barcin_N 26.2 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya:Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus_ZO2002 11.6 Levant_10KYA:Levant_PPNB 8.0 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA:IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1 2.6 Caucasus_10KYA:GEO_CHG_KK1 0.2...

Target: Anthony_C_scaled Distance: 2.7652% / 0.02765160 | ADC: 0.5x RC 62.0 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA:TUR_Barcin_N 27.8 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya:Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus_ZO2002 10.2 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya:Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus_ZO2002

Target: Anthony_C_scaled Distance: 2.7652% / 0.02765160 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC 62.0 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA 38.0 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya 0.0 Northern_Iran_10KYA

Here's what I don't get maybe someone could explain this to me. I know this is G25 and I realize it's faults and limitations but with my limited computer skills this is what I'm able to access at the moment. When I use CHG, EHG, and Barcin for myself I get this at a significant distance...

That CHG levels seems high but I would guess that it doesn’t separate out the CHG coming from Anatolia (I realize there’s a Levantine signal) and the CHG in the Steppe population that entered Greece during the late Bronze. I’m also assuming that’s the CHG average for continental Greece...

So CHG fed into Iran N prior to the Neolithic, right (I'm guessing a significant chunk)-thus the interchangeability? My other question that was brought up by another poster was the comment by Lazaridis (I may be misrepresenting what he said) about the Balkan IE source that came South into Greece...

Distance to: tonyc 2.36448726 ALB_Mdv:I14622 4.37383127 MKD_Anc:I10389 4.42727907 ALB_PostMdv:I14686 5.04591914 ALB_PostMdv:I14685 5.75075647 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15744 5.89841504 HRV_Trogir_Byz:I15463 6.11912575 ALB_PostMdv:I15706 6.36374104 ALB_Çinamak_Anc:I16251 6.77552950...

Ok I agree G 25 has its faults but why is that when I compare my results to other Greeks I get Messinian with G 25 as my number one population at a distance of 1.9 compared to gedmatch calcs which give me Thessaly, Central Greece or Albania at 3.75. The other issue I have with Dodecad (as an...

Nothing new only that my paternal Messinian side (both grandparents) families came from two mountain villages in Arcadia (late 17th c) adjacent to one another Alonistana and Roino. I've talked to someone about the history of those villages and it seems that they may have been settled by folks...

Wow missed the Attica sample with 89% Barcin similar to Peloponnese N so I'm wondering is this what we would call a "Pelasgian like" profile (:

So the two with 40 and 56% PPNB are outliers? That seems really high when you look at other samples that have like 3% PPNB. So I guess there was some diversity within this population and/or visitors from the Near East. The two Kastrouli (Phocis) samples have 0% PPNB and very high Barcin possibly...

Much appreciated!

Pretty darn close comparison. So my understanding is that there was a second wave of Anatolian ancestry (a bit different and more Southern shifted than the Barcin wave) that added the additional Iran N, Natufian and/or PPNB to Bronze age Greeks. The (pre-Mycenean?) Peloponnesian N sample has...