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  1. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Great question. It sort of got derailed as do most threads (and I'm a Greek) that involve Greeks or Albanians.
  2. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    For Greeks you're using the Armenian average to represent Anatolia/Caucasus and Serbian to represent South Slav? So I'm guessing high Steppe (40%) for the Serb sample what about the Armenian sample what does this represent? Explain the logic for this model.
  3. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Ok but that CHG percentage is that the average for all Greeks including Anatolia and the Caucasus? I asked Khan that question. Cyprus and Crete were separated out. I honestly have no vested interest other than wanting to understand genetics and history. I mean i get the EEF (which is well...
  4. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    No I just want to understand where it’s coming from; specific migrations/historical period, etc. vs. speculation and/or hearsay. I understand the Bronze Age migration from Anatolia that makes perfect sense. I’m not super clear about the origins of that additional admixture; did it occur during...
  5. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    The one thing Khan mentioned in his article about a second wave of migration during the early Bronze Age interests me and I guess that’s where the CHG is coming from but my question is; did that migration have two routes; sea and land? You see the CHG admixture in both the Northern Helladic...
  6. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Oh wait is he combining WHG and CHG to make Steppe. Because when I look at the graph there’s a sizable chunk of WHG shown in moderns but when we see these ancestral breakdowns on novice calcs it shows a negligible amount of WHG.
  7. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Here’s the second part to Razib K’s piece in Greece. Pretty much says everything that’s been discussed on this site and others for the past 5 years. My only question is why he uses WHG, CHG and EEF (does CHG represent something else?) when comparing ancients to moderns...
  8. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Is it possible that the higher Steppe in modern Peloponnesians vs. early Byzantine era populations has more to do with internal migration from Northern Greece vs. extensive Slav admixture. Could it be both?
  9. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    You're exactly right. I've traced my paternal side from Messinia back to Arcadia (as sheepherders) in the 17th c. and (possibly) from Epirus prior to that. So like I've mentioned before I believe there was a lot of inter-regional movement (could have been a lot North to South movement) over the...
  10. matadworf

    MyTrueAncestry Mytrueancestry.com

    Our of curiosity where are they getting these samples? Certainly not academic.
  11. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I’ve read 2 books on medieval Greece and the historical consensus was that the Slavs settled in the Peloponnese uneventfully particularly in the Western half. I’m no expert but I’ve never read anything about a plan for the eradication of Slavs and/or any sort of population replacement from...
  12. matadworf

    David Reich Southern Arc Paper Abstract

    Classical Greeks' of Attica's physiognomy most likely matched their genetic composition which was primarily EEF, true?And as we know EEF folks had dark hair/eyes and fair skin.
  13. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    In jest Khan mentioned (on a recent podcast) that he didn’t receive an advanced copy of the Southern Arc paper from Reich or Patterson because they “didn’t trust” him. I found that interesting.
  14. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I know I wondered why it took him so long to write this piece and why now? Do you think it has anything to do with the upcoming Reich paper?
  15. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    You’re welcome.
  16. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Here’s the article; https://razib.substack.com/p/theyre-all-greeks-to-me-part-1?r=1kb6dj&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  17. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    I believe it’ll be posted on his substack unsupervised learning site. I have a subscription and I’ll ask him in the comments section. He typically responds to comments. He just did a really interesting podcast on ancient ancestral populations. https://razib.substack.com/
  18. matadworf

    Comparing Ancient Greek populations to modern Greeks and Italians

    Was just listening to Razib Khan's substack podcast and he mentioned that he has a new paper coming out on Greeks. He didn't get specific though. Thought it was worth mentioning.
  19. matadworf

    Ottoman Empire (Balkans)

    @eupator I'm not sure why you have such animosity towards certain Greek groups (at least that's the vibe I'm getting). Truthfully I'm all about Greek as a cultural identity not as a regional entity. I've said this before the only reason I mention Peloponnesians or mainlanders (in relation to...
  20. matadworf

    Ottoman Empire (Balkans)

    Hey you act like I’m somehow involved and or connected to the War of Independence. I’m a third generation US citizen(family arrived in the US around 1900) but pretty proud of my family history both here (US) and in Greece. Btw this historian’s view of the Peloponnese during the Revolution...
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