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I'm an Atlanto Med of full Peloponnesian ancestry. Atlanto Meds in mainland Greece are not an anomaly. Apricity is a joke but why are you lowering yourself to their standards by even bringing that s****t up?

Greeks vary in physiogonomy from Alpine, Alpine Med, Atlanto Med, Dinarid, in mainland Greece. You may see some darker varieties in Mani which has a genetic connection to Crete. The islands probably vary considerably with the above phenotypes represented with increasing East Med characteristics...

Several on 23 and Me but i just discovered that he/his family were Arvanites.

One very obvious reason for that is that there are significant parts of the Peloponnese (like Mani and the Eastern Taygetus Tsakonians) that remain exceptionally isolated. Those areas plot further South (less Steppe higher CHG and/or Levant PPNB) than the Peloponnesian average and bring the...

I know. Only one (male) first cousin who carries the male haplogroup from that Arvanite line. I'm trying to reach and have him tested.

As I posted on Anthrogenica earlier today I discovered (just yesterday) that my maternal grandfather was an Arvanite. I had suspected this for the past few years. My suspicion was linked partly to a strong Albanian shift on G 25 but was confirmed when I posted my grandfather’s oral history...

I believe East Med is a proxy for the Eastern Aegean, possibly Dodecanese and/or Cyprus. It seems vague to me.

East Med is not levantine it's a proxy for East Aegean and/or Cypriot

My maternal grandfather came from a village in Messinia (Aetos, Tryfilia) and I'm getting (I believe) Albanian matches through him.

A lot of folks want to claim some sort of affinity with the Ancient Greeks but I do think genetically Southern Italians and Eastern Aegean Greek Islanders are the closest. I'm a mainland Greek with deep roots in the Peloponnese but from my observations of various models (G25) I find to have a...

Those are the most predominant haplogroups. What's your impression of G2A mainland Greeks? My haplogroup is G2A and may have Italian origins but I'm thinking that based on the history of my paternal village in the Peloponnese which predates Ottomans and is an isolated mountain village there...

My experience in the US being around a few Cretans was that they viewed themselves distinct from mainlanders historically, culturally, etc. As a mainland Greek I was always aware and respectful of Cretan culture.

Never said that Neolithics in Greece had light hair, light eyes I realize the consensus is that they were dark haired/dark eyed but do we really know what they looked like? it's all based on simulation. Based on those same simulations WHG were actually darker (in terms of skin tone) than Early...

Im G2A paternally. My G2A line has been in Greece prior to Byzantines (I've traced my family history in the Peloponnese) and we're in an isolated mountainous region of mainland Greece. G2A is linked to Neolithic populations and paleo-balkanic pre-Slavs. We have a number of ginger haired and/or...

First of all I'm not a big fan of phenotypic analysis because it's so subjective and can be absurd at times but physiognomy within the Greek population varies drastically. "Greek" is and has always been a cultural identity first so it's difficult to compare the genetic identity of someone from...

The only Greek populations close to Middle Easterners are those in Anatolia and Caucasus regions. It's Greek as a cultural identity although there is evidence that those same populations have shared Greek genetic ties.Eastern Aegean Islanders can show up with a Levantine (Druze for...

My maternal grandmother was Tsakonian from a village near Leonidion in the Parnon Mountains (Paleohori).

My grandmother was Tsakonian

Yeah it's fun and everything but their modern pop averages are inaccurate (at least in my case) and haven't been updated recently. There's no real genetic/historical explanation of specific ancient group samples. For instance; tell me about the Seleucian sample? Is it a Macedonian (Paleo Balkan)...

I really question the authenticity of the Mytrueancestry site. I'm not sure I'd make much of these results.