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    R1b decreased in historical/civilized times

    There is a strong decrease in the percentage of R1b in north central France, compared to the regions of Antlantic France, in a situation maybe similar to north western Iberia. I wonder if it was already the case in the bronze age, because the Bell Beaker settled mostly on the coast and the...
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    English and Scottish surnames of French origin

    Here are some examples of French-derived English and Scottish surnames, dating from the time of the Norman conquest and the Plantagenet Era: -DISNEY => derived from a Norman family called D'ISIGNY from the village of ISIGNY in Normandy . -CHURCHILL=>Descended from Roger DE COURCIL...
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    New map of haplogroup R1b-L21 (S145)

    Tolan has posted this on anthrogenica, showing that an early bronze age individual from the region of Montpellier in southern France (PIR3037AB) apparently belonged to L21 DF21...
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    88% of haplogroup H found in central european Bell Beaker The unusual rate of haplogroup mtdna H in this central european site reinforce the hypothesis that the Bell Beaker people came from the Iberian Peninsula.
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    Germanic and Italic language families

    In A Grammar of Proto-Germanic by Winfred P. Lehmann, it is argued that the Germanic language family shares more vocabulary with the Italic family than with the Celtic language family. Concerning the relationship between Venetic language and the Germanic languages, Wikipedia says:
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    Prehistoric Danes to be genetically mapped
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    How proto IE sounded like?

    I've found this interesting video of a recronstructed speech in proto IE. Does it sound like anything living language to you?
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    "Northern" elites in Greece and Rome.

    In David Anthony's book, it is nowhere written that: 1) Maykop was Indo European (Actually he thinks that Caucasian borrowings into proto IE occured with the contacts between Maykop and Yamnaya). 2) Maykop took part in the formation of Yamnaya. 3) Maykop people migrated to the Steppe.
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    "Northern" elites in Greece and Rome.

    The patricians were probably more mixed with the Etruscan thans the plebeians since the Etruscans once ruled Rome. As for the slaves in Rome, hundred of thousands of them were Celts (after the Gallic wars) and Germans.
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    Separation between Scandinavian and other Germanic languages

    When did the separation between Scandinavian and other Germanic languages occur? Has a common Germanic language ever been spoken in Scandinavia (or pre-proto Germanic since it lacked the Grimm's law) ? And which branch of the germanic language during the migration era was closer to the Proto...
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    Origin of the Parisian in 1920

    I) Corsica , Avignon II) Savoy III) Savoy IV) Corsica, Limousin, Lyon, Creuse (Limousin) V)Languedoc, Touraine (Northwest France) , Limousin,(South West France), Auvergne, Creuse VI) Normandy,Poitou, Brittany, Angoumois (near limousin), Auvergne VII) Angoumois...
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    IE language originated from who?R1a or R1b?

    According to David Anthony the Tocharian separation from proto IE took place around 3700 BC and started from the Samara river. Sinstashta (2100-1800 BC) is the culture ancestral to the Indo Iranien branch. Sintshta itself formed out of Abashevo (2500-1900 BC) and Poltavka cultures. Even...
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    IE language originated from who?R1a or R1b?

    The Etrsucan god Tarchon was inspired from Luwian god Tarhunt. Moreover, Etruscan were famous for practising Haruspicy which originated in Mesopotamia. So I would localize their Heimat in the Border region between Anatolia and Mesopotamia, in one of the NeoHittite state. Their language was maybe...
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    West asians vs Mediterranean neolithic farmers

    We can split the Neolithic of South East Europe in two stages. The first starts in 6850 BC with the Seklo culture in Greece and lead to the foundation of Starcevo (former yougoslavia) and Körös culture (Hungary) . Those very first farmers may have carry the Mediterranean/ Southern admixture...
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    Is "North European" a hunter gatherer or Steppic component?

    Is the North European component a legacy of the Hunter gaterers or a genetic input from the Steppe? It is lacking in Ötzi but we now know that as early as 5000 bc, folks in southwest Europe were more "northern" than they are today. Dienekes uses this fact to rule out a steppic homeland of the...
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    Does Lutheranism lead to Atheism?

    I've noticed a correlation in Europe between predominantly Lutheran countries and countries with strong Atheism rates. According to this link:, you find 6 Lutheran countries (Estonia, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Sweden)...
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    5000-year-old I2a1a found at La Pierre Fritte Dolmen, France

    Bones were found under this dolmen in Yermenonville (Eure et Loire department) near Paris. Individuals belonged to the Seine Oise Marne neolithic culture, they where farmers.
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    Where did R1b L51 originate?

    This map shows high frequencies of this subclade in Southern/Central France as well as in Northern Italy. R1b L51 seems absent from the Balkans and eastern Europe in general (except southern Poland). Also, it is worth mentioning that R1b P312 main subclades(U152, M167,L21) have their highest...
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    Bell Beakers from Germany: Y-haplogroup R1b

    I read that the first stelae were found in Brittany and have been erected well BEFORE those of Ukraine. But according to Carleton Coon: As we see, those German bell Beaker appeared later than Atlantic and meditteranean Bell Beakers:
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    Why the vikings raided only in UK mainly and in France?

    The Vikings also raided Friesland, Flander and Portugal.