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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    PCAs and autosomal models can demonstrate continuity but at same time they can be misleading too. Modern English overlap with Bronze Age British (even more than Picenes do with North Italians) despite receiving ~40% of their male Y-Dna from Anglo-Saxon and other related Germanic settlers. Unless...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Nobody said that 20% of all Italians were replaced by Germanics. This figure was the upper bound of the North Italian region. And the Germanic Y-Dna in is places like Calabaria is almost zero, possibly not even brought by pure Germanic people either.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    This is his census; -> Rejects the idea of Northern Italians having 10% or even 5% Germanic DNA. -> Claims Central Italians from Marche are 52% Greek transplant.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Whenever the Germanic admixture in North Italy is 5%, 10% or 15%, I am sure there is a model for every single percentage so we cannot really tell. But fact is that there is 15%-20% Germanic y-dna in there. And another fact is that this admixture is not zero or very close to zero.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Most of Himerian samples 100% overlap with the average LBA Greek samples. The updated samples (I don't think they were 94?) showed more heterogenity but the average remained the same. As for those forming a cline to Sicanians, we know that some old Greeks with less steppe were more ANF shifted...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    That is up to archeology, which haven't even digged an early Longobard settlement. Weren't you guys the ones that dismissed the Himerian samples, and the Peloponnesian ones in the leaked paper, as truly representative of Greek colonists? I never thought implying a non zero Germanic admixture in...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Vitruvius I agree that there was probably (substantial) Norther Italian admixture in Central Italy during, but Goths and Longobards left some minor admixture too. For South Italy and Sicily, Germanic admixture is close to zero. Save for some few Normans and Goth that left a ~ 2% contribution.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Proportionally Y-DNA tend to have a migration male bias, because such migrations are male driven but one should taken in account at least half of that 15% assuming those Germanic carriers did not brought any woman.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    5% in Tuscany and 15% in North Italians. As for those North Italian-like samples in Rome, I don't believe they were migrants from the north, just native Romans that have elevated Germanic admixture before they got mixed out of existence. You see Lazio plots in between them. Just like the paper...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Because they were mixed. There is I1 in Late Antiquity samples. Those that plot like Northern Italians have it, that's the end of discussion. The Germanic admixture gave them a Pseudo-Picene profile. There were some 100,000 Longobards that settled in Italy in Early Middle ages the bulk of them...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    If you add heavy Germanic admixture to an Imperial Roman you get a Northern Italian. Does that mean there were no Northern Italian-types (like Picenes or Illyrians) without any Germanic admixture? NO, but it does not change that was what was happening in 2019 Rome paper. PCA movements can be...
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    77 Samnite Samples in Upcoming aDNA paper

    Agamemnon said it. He saw the samples.
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    77 Samnite Samples in Upcoming aDNA paper

    They were kinda similar to Latins from what I have been told.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Maybe but I still stand by what I said, that Northern Italians went a little bit south with Rome and then get north with Longobards back to their place. I support some 70% continuity in Northern Italians.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Anyways I doubt there is pure continuity in Northern Italians. So they might have receive some influence (not as high as 25% though) from Roman migrants and some Germanic admixture like 10% pulled them back in their place. Besides Picentes are from central Italy and Etruscans and Latins had...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    I was talking about modern Northern Italians obviously. You really think Germanic ancestry in modern Northern Italian is zero?
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Now Northern Italy does indeed has some 15% Germanic DNA but as I expected some Italic tribes to plot right on top of Northern Italians so it will increase the Italic admixture and decrease the West Asian and Germanic one in my hypothesis.
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    Pompei, capsula del tempo dell'Impero Romano: analisi paleogenomica dei resti umani rinvenuti nell'antica città

    Either way I have done quite some research on the Greek polises in Sicily but unfortunately I have lost the PDF which I collected. Roughly half of Greek polises in Sicily were sacked by either each other, or Romans or Carthage. Carthage faced a worse fate where they were totally annihilated...
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    Pompei, capsula del tempo dell'Impero Romano: analisi paleogenomica dei resti umani rinvenuti nell'antica città

    This book is specifically dedicated to urbanism and population and estimates the population of the city up to 40,000. https://books.google.com/books?id=P43ChiFyVVEC Some estimate the total population to 125,000 after Syracuse absorbed some other of the Greek polises in Sicily. Very probable...
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