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    Religious belief choice

    I was asked the same thing, it would not let me post in the forums until I answered it.
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    Etruscan DNA: Tarquinia, ninth–seventh century BC, central Italy

    There are 3 studies on Iron Age Central Italy in order Antonio et al 2019, Posth et al 2021 and now Bagnasco et al 2024. Each study had samples from different areas but combined together, there is now a sample of 65 total. The Posth et al 2021 sample has a large sample of Etruscans, a total of...
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    Immigration Sweden or how to destroy a country through poor immigration policy

    What culture has left a legacy, despite its faults, on the World for the better? Greco-Roman or what amounts to Arab-Muslim culture? A phobia is an irrational fear of something, there is nothing Islamophobic about not wanting your country overrun by peoples stuck in the 7th century.
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    G25 G25 Modern (Over 10,000 Individuals)

    Top 50 Distances < 0.025 Distance to: PT_G25_Ancestry_simulated_g25_scaled 0.01713239 Italian_Campania:NaN119AMR 0.01776527 Greek_Deep_Mani:ARE-7 0.01840726 Greek_Laconia:639 0.01874231 Italian_Apulia:cera8 0.01888596 Italian_Campania:NaN43TC 0.01932576 Italian_Apulia:cera9...
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    Immigration Sweden or how to destroy a country through poor immigration policy

    Ok that is your way of dealing with it. Its fine, no they are not causing war "YET" but if you think there are areas in European cities that the indigenous/natives of each respective country can freely go into, then your "statement" (to be clear your statement) reminds me of that scene from the...
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    Immigration Sweden or how to destroy a country through poor immigration policy

    If you think having large numbers of single Muslim Men ages 18 to 30 from Syria and Lebanon brought into Europe under the ruse of Asylum is good for Europe, then I feel sorry for you. At least in Ukraine it is women, children and the elderly. Salmon Rushdie, the Iranian Writer is someone who...
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    Archaic & Pre-Roman Tortora, Calabria

    Jovialis: Interesting paper, is there a printable version available. From reading the abstract the best I can, the Oenotrians (who live in Southern Campania down to Calabria and Sicily (Sicels) along with the Lucanians who lived primarily in Basilicata (e.g. Morgetes were Lucanians that went...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    HereToLearn: Yes, I went back and reviewed Table S1 from the Posth et al 2021 paper. Take a look at it and double check, but that is what I observed. There are I think 22 R1B lineages among those samples but as we are aware, they did not speak an Indo-European language even though they had...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    I believe the evidence is now strongly suggesting that Proto-Germanic is directly associated with Corded Ware. The Corded War or proto-Germanic consist heavily of I1 and R1A Haplogroups, correct. How much of those are in Italy today and when did they arrive? Not that many from what I can tell...
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    Italian-Cline explained in two PCAs

    Jovialis: Thanks for the map, I agree with Vitruvius, it clearly lays out the peoples who where present before complete Romanization (Latinization) of Italy and the start of the 1st Punic War. Looking at that Map, I am going to go back and look at the Himera ancient Sicily paper. In particular...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Ok so we agree that Italic and Indo-Iranian are separate branches. I have always maintained I am not Dogmatic about where the Proto-IE homeland was. If it is in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe just North of the Caucuses or South of the Caucuses in areas that include Northern Iran, it is not going to...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Why do you assume that R1-M269/L23 etc are non-IE Etruscans. The Picenes paper labels those R1-M269/L23 samples at the basal of of R1-M269 in the Pontic Steppe before the split into the R1-M269/L51 leading to Bell Beakers and the R1-M269/Z2103 with the Yamnaya. Go back and take a look at...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Technically speaking, Serbia and Romania are part of the Balkans and were associated with the Urnfield culture.
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Torzio: That chart is modern Italia-Dalmatoian branch of Romance from which all Central and Southern Italian languages come from Standard Italian (Synthesis of what was spoken in Central Italy-Tuscany), Neapolitan, Sicilian and Corsican (close to Tuscan) from one branch. The Gallo-Italian branch...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Torzio: Are there not some texts of the South Picene Language that pre-date 350 BC. I went back and checked up on the North Picene Language and it does seem from what I gathered something different from the Umbri-Sabellic you mention which is part of Osco-Umbrian correct?
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Robotnick: I have done some research on Romance languages at 2 levels: 1) Theological. The Latin Vulgate of Saint Jerome, who died in 420 AD and translated the Old Latin Bible into Vulgar Latin vs. Ecclesial Latin (closer to Classic Latin) is the immediate ancestor Language of Italian-Dalmation...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Pax Augusta: I confess, Mea Culpa, that I have not read the entire paper yet (I will do so) and have only read the excerpts posted here. The 5 samples that I am referring to relate only to the Picene samples. So to be clear, I was not referring to the Etruscan samples in this paper. Cheers
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    mount123: If my post came off as flippant, that was not my intention. I am interested in which groups from where and when first brought Proto-Italic languages into Italy. I would like to see academics for example get more information on the Elymians and Sicels of Sicily (we have some research on...
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