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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    As explained many times ... J-L283, in particular some J-Z597 lineages had two major movements toward the west following the Danubian bassin and/or crossing the Alps directly from Italy. Per-se, J-PH1602 and his ~1100 BCE diversification with strong Central European signal have been partially...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    I never saw someone claiming ethnic uniformity for Urnfilders.
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Good day for some, bad day for others ... While J-Y21045 just discovered few days ago that their line comes from Etruscans and was likely injected in the Balkans by Romans ~0 CE, the paper for MBG006 finally aired : Title = Evidence for dynastic succession among early Celtic elites in Central...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Two new J2b among Etruscan, one is confirmed J-M241, I haven't the samples in hand to check deeper clades. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-61052-z
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    Etruscan DNA: Tarquinia, ninth–seventh century BC, central Italy

    After checking supl. tables ... the J2b* have no calls below J2b. No SNP deeper than J2b2a are mentioned, they likely didn't checked. It is sad, because the deep clading at this location is quite interesting, particularly the distinction between Z615- and Z615+ branches. Are the samples...
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    Etruscan DNA: Tarquinia, ninth–seventh century BC, central Italy

    While some J2b2a* in Tuscany won't surprise me ... J2b* ? Is that a secured call ? If really basal at J2b level, it is very interesting (and a bit surprising).
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    As usual, when you can't impose your opinions, you become insulting. Of us, I think I'm the only one who published peer-reviewed papers (related to data analysis). This is the main difference, I'm a real data-analysis expert with a significant publication record. You are a random on internet...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    You claim that Romans have the greater impact ... yet, we don't see signal in the phylogeny for Z631 or Y27522 (while we see some for Y15058). We also see signal for a lot of other clades affected by Romans. After, it is your belief, yet you have no sample and no statistical probe favoring such...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Nope, the questions I brought here are the one I'm interested to adress for years. You didn't noticed ? Maybe because you didn't read me. ??? Are you that unable to interpret data ? You have a L283 in a given population. How did he get there ? With which population ? With what movement ? There...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Why are you gathering France and Germany together ? The truth is, we got very few samples from south germany (I think it is less than 20) where we expect some J-Z597 to be during IA ... and we found one !!! So, if I follow you, when we find samples where and when I forecast them, it proves me...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    As expected, it is an admixted sample with local admixture (and ~8% EEF). Did he get absorbed around Moldova from an EEF population during 4th millenium BCE ? Did he get brought here from Caucasus ? Did he expanded with Yamanaya afterward ? Did he expended before with Copper-age diffusion and...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    It would be quite important to see if he is positive for something deeper than J-L283. A J-L283* wouldn't favor the same scenarii compared to some deeper clading. No deeper clading would be poorly informative, as it would fit with nearly all likely solutions for J-L283 early diffusion. A...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    What paper ? Something I often say about debates is that claiming that "you won't do something" is only a way to "do it without assuming doing it". Apparently, you seems to believe that the fact we obtained a Z597+ sample from southern Germany EIA, exactly where I claimed for years that we have...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    What ? Is your cognitive dissonance preventing you from reading what I wrote for nearly 3-4 years now ? No, my claim is that the ultimate origin of J-L283 is likely somewhere around the Black-sea (while there is few more exotic ideas not completely out of the picture too). The three main options...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    Not really, you see me as a biased person, but because you are biased yourself. If you try to check the hour with a clock not giving the right time ... you'll even think that a well calibrated clock is wrong :eek:. You know, my "hypotheses", which are in fact results from statistical analyses...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    It contains only 1 read (positive), that is a high-quality and mid-sequence read in the bam-file. No need to trust me, just download the bam file (it is very small), in few command lines you can make the check. sample : ORC007.A0101.TF SNP : YP91 (anc : C, der : T) read : T pos : 11/66...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    You might want to apply your own advise ;) . There is nothing to "interpret" here ... The clades being "intermediates" is written in the paper. Repeating =\= Interpreting. No, I just didn't apply selection biases to the data. From the data, ORC007 is YP91+, period. The mis-read hypothesis is...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    This claim is from the paper itself, no need of Trojet or Hunter, the hability to read is sufficient : Yet, we don't know if the placement of this samples is : --> Accurate (the phylogenic tree in the paper contains many weird stuff) --> A consequence of a lack of resolution. To me, these...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    If I remember well, there is a R-L23 Punic-related sample around ~800 BCE Samples prior to that have unfolded as R-V88 according to my memmory. But here, we are so many years post R-M269 arrival in Western-Europe that there have been largely enough time for some minor lineage to migrate to...
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