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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    It matches modern day concentration of I2 in Italy (3 percent) very good. In northern Italy it rises to 10 percent in Trento, which makes sense since Goths settled mostly in northern Italy, with just few garissons in south. I know that Slavs sometimes penetrated into Apennines and raided, but...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Great, keep supporting outdated Paleolithic continuity "trusted sources". There is more than enough evidence that it is Gothic. Far more enough than Illyrian/Thracian. Writings of Eupedia administrators were made when Paleolithic continuity theory was popular- but now it is outdated
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Please, read previous posts before commenting... There is only one source claiming Scandinavian origin of Goths- Jordanes' Getica. And in Getica Jordanes made many mistakes- such as identifying Dacian Geats with Goths. Part of Gothic arrival from Scandinavia is mythological- Goths coming from...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Slušaj 'vako ;) ... Word of Eupedia admins is not holy and without errors. It says "could have been spread by Goths". Z63 is actually very, very small part in our I1. All Z63 in Serbia and Montenegro descend from same Macura clan. And because their oldest origins are somewhere around Berane in...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Age, place and expansion date does not match Slavs really well, nor does it match "slavicized Sarmatians" (which probably were even heavier on R1a)... Since we find closest relatives of I2a1b Din- Disles and Isles in Britain, it is only logical that it came from west, not from east. That, and we...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    OK, but where did all R1a go in Dinaric area? Why is there only 5-6 percent R1a in Herzegovina, and 70 percent of I2a Din? There must exist more logical explanation other than "pure coincidence". I am not familiar with claims that it is homeland of Slavs, but it might be true. However, we don't...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Research by iGenea did not target only ethnic Montenegrins in Podgorica (city in eastern part) hospital, but also at least quarter was composed of national minorities like Muslim Bosniaks, Albanians, Roma, etc. in other words a totally random pick in one multicultural city. And what did you...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    It is because of solidarity with Russia, FFS. I was just telling you which countries helped us. And you claimed that Poles-Lithuanians helped. Please... And about our "hiding in caves" read my previous post.
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    @mihaitzateo no pseudo-history here please.
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    We were always raising rebbelions in surrounding areas, like Herzegovina In fact, when they repelled one Turkish attack in 16th century, Montenegrins marched into Bosnia and raised siege of Jajce to rescue Hungarian garrison that was closely hemmed in by Turks. (Stephen Clissold, A short...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Hah. We were not under Ottoman occupation. OK, northern part called Sandzak was, but it occupies small part. Town centres (except Cetinje) were also. But our clan lands were independent. No one "liberated us". We fought for 500 years, living in old clan system, isolated from rest of Europe. We...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    That is my interpretation, but if you re-read it you will see that he counts most of them as Atlanto-Mediterannean Pre-Slavic population, some as Slavic and minor parts as Turkic. WTF man? Where did I claim that Germans are brothers? Or that any of Germanic peoples are my brothers? Why are you...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Concetration gradient of I2a Din in Yugoslavia still remains unexplained (except with Gothic theory). I2a Din has TMRCA somewhere in eastern Poland around course of Vistula 2500 years ago (Gothic homeland). According to Nordtvedt, today concentration of I2a Din was caused by mass expansions...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Of course, but South Slav=East Slav=West Slav always... please. I don't expect Slavs to bring typically Germanic phenotypes... or maybe I am wrong? Nations today are modern construct, as difference between, for example, Herzegovina and Zagorje Croats, is huge. Croats "expanded" from Nin...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    This proves nothing. Croatia was settled by both Goths and Slavs, and northern parts are very strong in R1a. Also if they got their skulls from town settlements it is more probable that they are Slavic. I already posted what Coon said of modern Montenegrins and Croatian Herzegovinians, how they...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Sorry, what I meant to say is that by haplogroups they are mix of Indo-Europeans and proto-Europeans, not by autosomal DNA... I do not know much about lactose tolerance so I'm going to skip that part. But part when you claim that light skin gene is of only Indo-European origin is a big lie...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Of course Goths were not mountain people, but they, as a pre-Slavic population of western Balkans settled mountains and unaccessible areas when Slavs and Avars came, and that is where we find up to 70 percent of I2a1b (Herzegovina Croats, west Montenegro, etc...). In other words, they inhabited...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    Please... Germanic peoples are linguistically Indo-Europeans, ethnically (or should I say genetically) they are mix of Indo-Europeans and proto-Europeans. Slavic peoples are mainly Indo-European both linguistically and ethnically. BTW Germanic languages have lots of words of non-Indo-European...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    I do not try to make "Germanicness" of everything. Of course Goths did mix with other peoples, but what are you trying to say is that they got mongrelized and mixed with other people before they even arrived to eastern Europe, which of course, is not true. No. They were Germanics who later...
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    How did I2a-Din get to the Balkans?

    They did not came from specifically those parts... so Ukraine has 11 percent. And even if whole Ukraine had 22 percent it still would not explain lack of R1a and great regional differences here. I am talking about Slavs in general... and, it is not just about mountains. It is about type of...
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