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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Your wider haplogroup (R-S8183) has ancient samples in Northeast Italy (Bronze Age) and Slovenia (Iron Age) as well as those found at the Church of Burgusio Santo Stefano from the Roman period. Those would lead me to believe perhaps a "Venetic" type people, usually classified as Italics. My own...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Makes sense, I've heard it was not well attested but from what I've read I've seen it most frequently associated with the Venetic language. Initially that's what I thought my Y-DNA lineage may have been associated with given the Italo-Celtic nature of U152 but also because both ancient and...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Regarding J-L283 and the Illyrian language, it seems most of the ancient samples are in coastal Dalmatia and/or in the area of the Cetina culture but later isn't this area inhabited by the Liburnians who are supposed to have spoken a language related to Venetic and hence Italic? How do we...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Well as I believe you suggested earlier some of the R-L2 samples I mention seem Tumulus culture mediated rather than Urnfield since one (not my branch but a related one) is found in Broion, Italy circa 1500 BCE. Does anyone have any further information on the identity of the so-called...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    That's what I thought as well, namely that R-U152 seems mostly associated with the Italo-Celts. Since some claim the Liburnians and Veneti both spoke an Italic or para-Italic language I figured perhaps these R-L2 samples I mentioned might represent proto-Veneti, Histri, Liburni, etc. as others...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    True. From what I've read the U152>L2 found at locations like Bezdanjaca likely represents Tumulus/Urnfield migration from the east Alpine or Danubian sphere. Were these some sort of proto-Italics or could they be somehow involved in the formation of languages later classified as Illyrian or is...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    So are you of the opinion then that the real or original Illyrians were the J-L283 people and the Bronze Age R-L2 people of north Croatia, Slovenia, etc. were some sort of Italics who would be absorbed to become Illyrians?
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    I don't think Cetina was all J-L283, but from reading earlier posts it seems some think that the R-L2 such as at Bezdanjaca cave represent incomers from the Tumulus Culture with J-L283 preceding them in places like Dalmatia. I suppose I am wondering if those R-L2 people were likely Italics of...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Hello, I've been reading the thread trying to learn more and appreciate all the learned posts here. I figured I ask, is there any consensus on the relationship between J-L283 in the Western Balkans and the R-L2 found in the northern parts of the region anciently, such as samples from Obrezje and...
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    Y-DNA Prediction help

    So I recently asked this question on another forum and received helpful answers but I figured I'd ask here to possibly get more answers. In short my father tested with Ancestry DNA and I discovered that sites like WeGene and Morley's Y-DNA predictor can help predict your Haplogroup based on your...
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